Why was the Karmapa's US tour cancelled?
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Why was the Karmapa's US tour cancelled?
Why was the Karmapa's US tour cancelled?
Claude Arpi | 2010-07-16 17:41:25
Ogyen Trinley Dorje, the 17th Karmapa, has been denied permission to leave on a two-week religious tour to the US later this month.
"The Karmapa was scheduled to attend prayer sessions being organised by Karma Triyana Dharamchakra centre in Woodstock in New York, but Indian authorities refused to grant him permission to visit there," said the Karmapa's secretary Gompo Tsering. "We fail to understand that why restrictions were imposed on his movement as the tour was purely a religious one."
Earlier this year, the young Karmapa was denied permission to attend a series of religious teachings in nine European countries.
What could be the reason for the Government's refusal? Particularly given that the head of the Karma Kagyu tradition of Tibetan Buddhism, who lives in the Gyuto Tantric Monastery, near Dharamsala, had earlier been granted permission by the Government of India to visit the United States in May 2008?
Everyone remembers how the 15-year old Karmapa, in a Bollywood-type escape reached Dharamsala in January 2001 after crossing the highest Himalayan passes in the midst of winter, and the initial reluctance of the Indian government to grant him refugee status.
To read more, click the link below:
http://sify.com/news/why-was-the-karmap ... gfhfi.html
Claude Arpi | 2010-07-16 17:41:25
Ogyen Trinley Dorje, the 17th Karmapa, has been denied permission to leave on a two-week religious tour to the US later this month.
"The Karmapa was scheduled to attend prayer sessions being organised by Karma Triyana Dharamchakra centre in Woodstock in New York, but Indian authorities refused to grant him permission to visit there," said the Karmapa's secretary Gompo Tsering. "We fail to understand that why restrictions were imposed on his movement as the tour was purely a religious one."
Earlier this year, the young Karmapa was denied permission to attend a series of religious teachings in nine European countries.
What could be the reason for the Government's refusal? Particularly given that the head of the Karma Kagyu tradition of Tibetan Buddhism, who lives in the Gyuto Tantric Monastery, near Dharamsala, had earlier been granted permission by the Government of India to visit the United States in May 2008?
Everyone remembers how the 15-year old Karmapa, in a Bollywood-type escape reached Dharamsala in January 2001 after crossing the highest Himalayan passes in the midst of winter, and the initial reluctance of the Indian government to grant him refugee status.
To read more, click the link below:
http://sify.com/news/why-was-the-karmap ... gfhfi.html
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Re: Why was the Karmapa's US tour cancelled?
If I recall, HH Gyalwa Karmapa's office responded after the European Tour was cancelled, and they indicated that people should not fault India for the cancellation. This article is written by a Frenchman, published in an Indian forum. I would just counsel people to not jump to conclusions regarding whose "Fault" it was.
HH Karmapa has repeatedly stressed his gratitude for the kindness of his adoptive country.
HH Karmapa has repeatedly stressed his gratitude for the kindness of his adoptive country.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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Re: Why was the Karmapa's US tour cancelled?
Thank you very much Conebeckham for clearing that up. If you just read this without any other information it's kind of alarming!
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Laura
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Laura
Re: Why was the Karmapa's US tour cancelled?
Plus Karmapa is on his way to Switzerland ... (which is not Europa )
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Re: Why was the Karmapa's US tour cancelled?
Sonam - Is he for sure touring Switzerland?Sönam wrote:Plus Karmapa is on his way to Switzerland ... (which is not Europa )
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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
"Most all-knowing Mañjuśrī, ...
Please illuminate the radiant wisdom spirit
Of my precious Buddha nature."
HH Thinley Norbu Rinpoche
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
"Most all-knowing Mañjuśrī, ...
Please illuminate the radiant wisdom spirit
Of my precious Buddha nature."
HH Thinley Norbu Rinpoche
Re: Why was the Karmapa's US tour cancelled?
A friend (shangpa lama) told me it was already arranged ... on another hand I read he was expecting his visa. My intuition is that it will work ... because Swiss is not Europa.kirtu wrote:Sonam - Is he for sure touring Switzerland?Sönam wrote:Plus Karmapa is on his way to Switzerland ... (which is not Europa )
Kirt
But sure we will have the confirmation soon ...
http://www.karmapa2010.ch/ ... they say the request is underway ...
Sönam
By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: Why was the Karmapa's US tour cancelled?
I truely wish that he can come, but I am not sure if europe and switzerland make big differences for Indian government.... If they refused a tour to europe, I can't see the reason they will grant a tour to swiss.Sönam wrote:A friend (shangpa lama) told me it was already arranged ... on another hand I read he was expecting his visa. My intuition is that it will work ... because Swiss is not Europa.kirtu wrote:Sonam - Is he for sure touring Switzerland?Sönam wrote:Plus Karmapa is on his way to Switzerland ... (which is not Europa )
Kirt
But sure we will have the confirmation soon ...
http://www.karmapa2010.ch/ ... they say the request is underway ...
Sönam
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Re: Why was the Karmapa's US tour cancelled?
Again---don't be sure it's the Indian Gov't. that is "to blame." There are a whole bunch of factors in play.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
Re: Why was the Karmapa's US tour cancelled?
the visit to Switzerland has been canceled ...
Karmapa Chenno !
Karmapa Chenno !
By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -
Re: Why was the Karmapa's US tour cancelled?
Surely it's Indian government, otherwise whom HH Karmapa's office sent application to and who refused his visit? In the end India is an independent state, the government is responsible for its own decision no matter how many factors involve isn't it? Indian Gov might have its own concern, I respect that, but I can't say that I am not disappointed even I don't 'blame' it.
I think the focus of not to blame someone is 'not to blame' rather than 'someone'.
I think the focus of not to blame someone is 'not to blame' rather than 'someone'.
conebeckham wrote:Again---don't be sure it's the Indian Gov't. that is "to blame." There are a whole bunch of factors in play.
Re: Why was the Karmapa's US tour cancelled?
"Chinese government has suddently impose a ban on the pictures of Karmapa."
http://enrichingthoughts.blogspot.com/2 ... anned.html
Karmapa Chenno
Sönam
http://enrichingthoughts.blogspot.com/2 ... anned.html
Karmapa Chenno
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By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -
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Re: Why was the Karmapa's US tour cancelled?
Very sad they are banning pictures of HH karmapa
"To have confidence in the teacher is the ultimate refuge." -Rigzin Jigme Lingpa
Re: Why was the Karmapa's US tour cancelled?
the link is not available anymore.
I think even there is a ban, it's limited in some 'sensitive' area.
Seems in Han-Chinese area, news and teaching of Karmapa are still freely spreading.
http://www.karmapa-chinabbs.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And I think it's too late for Chinese communists to against Karmapa since there are already many Karmapa followers (not just Tibetan) in whole China. Karmapa can speak good Mandarin and more than once said that he feels close to Chinese culture. Chinese Buddhists must also feel something special on him.
I think even there is a ban, it's limited in some 'sensitive' area.
Seems in Han-Chinese area, news and teaching of Karmapa are still freely spreading.
http://www.karmapa-chinabbs.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And I think it's too late for Chinese communists to against Karmapa since there are already many Karmapa followers (not just Tibetan) in whole China. Karmapa can speak good Mandarin and more than once said that he feels close to Chinese culture. Chinese Buddhists must also feel something special on him.
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Re: Why was the Karmapa's US tour cancelled?
HH Karmapa was also recognized by the Chinese government, so I don't know if they'd want to admit they were wrong about that.narraboth wrote:the link is not available anymore.
I think even there is a ban, it's limited in some 'sensitive' area.
Seems in Han-Chinese area, news and teaching of Karmapa are still freely spreading.
http://www.karmapa-chinabbs.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And I think it's too late for Chinese communists to against Karmapa since there are already many Karmapa followers (not just Tibetan) in whole China. Karmapa can speak good Mandarin and more than once said that he feels close to Chinese culture. Chinese Buddhists must also feel something special on him.
Re: Why was the Karmapa's US tour cancelled?
from the article posted above:
"...Thagye Dorjee who is presently living in Europe."
I just wanted to point out that this information is incorrect. Karmapa Thaye Dorje lives in India and has lived there for a long time. I don't think he ever had a permanent residence in Europe. He received his traditional Tibetan Buddhist education as well as his western education in India. He came to give teachings in Europe for the first time in the year 2000.
I hope your Karmapa's travel problems are cleared up soon.
"...Thagye Dorjee who is presently living in Europe."
I just wanted to point out that this information is incorrect. Karmapa Thaye Dorje lives in India and has lived there for a long time. I don't think he ever had a permanent residence in Europe. He received his traditional Tibetan Buddhist education as well as his western education in India. He came to give teachings in Europe for the first time in the year 2000.
I hope your Karmapa's travel problems are cleared up soon.
Re: Why was the Karmapa's US tour cancelled?
Karmapa who's images are banned is the Gyalwa Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje ...
By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -
Re: Why was the Karmapa's US tour cancelled?
' "your" Karmapa's travel problems' ?
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Re: Why was the Karmapa's US tour cancelled?
Exactly, but since my sangha follows Karmapa Thaye Dorje, I wanted to correct the incorrect information about him from that article.Sönam wrote:Karmapa who's images are banned is the Gyalwa Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje ...
I also wanted to express kind wishes towards your Karmapa (Ogyen Trinley Dorje).