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Is consciousness in time or is time in consciousness?

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Re: Is consciousness in time or is time in consciousness?

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For my meager offering to the thought pool:

I think the Buddha understood about the structure of time at a level below the experience of time. We can see from interdependent arising how time must involve causation and what more clear statement is there about the relationship between time and change than that "all things always change or end".

But in terms of the experience of time from a dharmic perspective, it seems that consciousness must be in time, but that the experience of time must be in consciousness.

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Time is just the way that things don't all happen at once.
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Postby chownah » Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:06 am

[quote="TMingyurWell then ... how about this one "Time is a thought added to experience but is not itself (directly) experienced"?

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I like that....I'd take it a step further....when the experience that things don't all happen at once and I'll call the reason for this "time" then "time" has arisen and has become an object for the mind door and when the mind door and the object (the thought of "time") and mind consciousness converge then experience and perception and all that other stuff arises each being the condition for the next...and...voila!!!!....you now have an experience of time.

The question as to whether time is not itself directly experienced is an interesting one....I think that given the way I have described it above "time" is experienced just the same as any other idea is experienced...if this is directly or indirectly is a debateable point I guess but since 99.99% of our experience is through ideas (thoughts) it seems to be an unnecessary idea whether it is directly or indirectly....it is being experienced through a sense door (the mind) and so it is part of our experience......I think that the Buddha taught that he entirety of our experience comes from the six sense doors along with their associated objects and consciousnesses.

When I talk about "time" being like all the other ideas we experience I'm coming from a perspective where "mother" for instance is an idea or thought.....since infancy we have seen a particular face and smelled a particular smell and tasted a particular taste and felt a particular warmth and heard a particular voice (all the external sense doors are represented here) and learned that "mother" is just the cause of these things happening.....the thought of "mother" then arises and in its arising it becomes the object of the mind sense door and along with its consciousness we have perception, experience and all the rest of the chain of events as described by the Buddha.....so I would maintain that "mother" is either directly or indirectly experienced in the same way that "time" is experienced.....but I don't know if using the qualifier "direct" or "indirect" has any value in this or meaning........

Of course this is just my view and maybe I'm wrong.....maybe everything does happen all at once but I just don't see it...............

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