In Mahayana practice, murder and suicide do not automatically refer to selfish act and do not automatically negative act.
This is because the nature of this reality is beyond positive and negative.
For the person, who realized the no-self, those 2 action do not create karma. But for the person, who is still dualistic, these 2 action can be positive if you are very skillful with your dualistic mind.
Take the example of the recent trend of killing in the university or school. Let's say you are one of the hundred victims, and as the victim, you are the only one at that moment who has the gun.
You see the murder start to shot all students one by one. There is no room for negotiate at that moment. You only have 2 choices - shoot him or not.
If you don't shot him, there are 2 consequences:
1. The killer will create tremendous karma. Kill 1 person is enough to bring you to hell for aeons, not to mention killing 100 people.
2. You let 99 people die for nothing.
Although by doing nothing, that is also not your fault, as a bodhisattva you have a call there, what should you do?
Should you save the killer from tremendous karma or not?
Should you save those 99 people or not? Because for the person to born as human is not easy.
For bodhisattva who still have dualistic mindset between good and bad, he has a choice there.
If his motivation is to save all those people, by shooting him, he doesn't create negative karma. Why? Because that action is carried out with the positive mind, so the result will be positive.
Unless you kill the killer with hatred, then you yourself will also go to the hell. THis is because your action is motivated by negative mindset.
The best is you are at the no-self state. Your action doesn't create any karmas.
We need to differentiate here between buddhist training path that ask us not to kill and the nature of killing itself.
Buddha suggest us not to kill, not because that act itself is by nature sinful. But, because 99.999999%, killing is always done with negatve mindset such as hatred, anger, etc, that bring tremendous negativity for the killer.
However, that suggestion should not make us become stupid like not knowing what to do in the situation of the killer kill 100 students one by one in the classroom.
Because, there is nothing by nature is sinful. This is the consequence of illusory nature, which is empty of self yet appear.
Suicide isn't automatically a negative action. On 10 June 1963 , vietnamese monk, Thich Quang Duc, did a suicide as a form of protest to the Vietnamese government due to repression to buddhism. His action did bring international attention that finally prevent the buddhism from repression. Vietnamese buddhism can survive up to now, we should thanks to him.
When he burn himself, he didn't move at all, sit still when the fire roared his body. He should be in nondual state at that moment.
I do not say, that if all monks kill someone or do suicide, it is automatically positive. Some are doing that with negative emotions or anger, it brings harm to them.
But, what I am not agree here is something like suicide and murder is by nature and automatically negative, regardless what is the motivation or whether you are in nondual state or not.
There is a thinking even like this:
Even if you have to go to the hell by killing the murderer, as a dualistic bodhisattva you prefer yourself go to the hell instead of letting 99 people die for nothing.
You feel disgust with your own selfish nirvana, and feel more compassionate for the life of 99 people.
Last edited by DarwidHalim
on Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:40 am, edited 3 times in total.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!