The permanence of enlightenment

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Re: The permanence of enlightenment

Postby Astus » Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:01 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.

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Re: The permanence of enlightenment

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Re: The permanence of enlightenment

Postby Quiet Heart » Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:21 am

Well, I don't want to get involved in a debate about whether "enlightenment" (whatever that is) is permanent or not.
So I'll just ask this question:
If you DO reach an "enlightenment" and find Nirvana/Nibanna...then where/when/what are you?

And more importantly, once you are "enlightened"..... What's the next step?

Personal opinion here....but if you or I ever did reach that state of "enlightenment"....I very much doubt our previous lives would suddenly end.
Nor do I ever epect (if I was ever to become "enlightened") to have roses strewn in my path, and people falling down to praise my "spiritual" virtue.
In fact, the next day...after our "enlightenment" would be it not seem to be very much like the day before?
Maybe WE would be different....but the world will still regard us as appearing to be exactly what we appeared to be the day before.
And living in that world....wouldn't we still be subject to impermanance and the emptiness of all "compound" objects?

So, I ask that crucial question again...."Okay, but WHAT NEXT?"

And no, I'm not claiming to even be close to enlightenment.
Shame on you Shakyamuni for setting the precedent of leaving home.
Did you think it was not there--
in your wife's lovely face
in your baby's laughter?
Did you think you had to go elsewhere (simply) to find it?
from - Judyth Collin
The Layman's Lament
From What Book, 1998, p. 52
Edited by Gary Gach

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