Andrew108 wrote:Because not everything is made of mind. But we've had this debate before with the yogachara debate.
Interesting. Can you prove anything exists outside of your mind? If there was a debate about it, then I assume it ended by agreeing upon the fact that nothing can be proven to be more then a presence before mind. Science/Society agreed upon working with collective view. Trusts had been made, allowing people to incorporate experiences of other people as views. We ended up with experience + Views. Experience changes constantly, view can crystallize, that is why it's possible to grasp and hold on to it. What happens when we accept the approach toward view as more authoritative as that toward experience? We apply it, and we grasp. Grasp after something that changes by it's nature. Seed for suffering is planted, and we are destined to suffer sooner or later. We make views out of experiences to be able to grasp the pleasant ones, and avoid those unpleasant. Everyday, pure madness. What is the role of science here? To prove, and refine this approach, sharpening this blade that wound us. There is nothing wrong with science, or intellectualization, problem lies in the approach. We break the mirror to pick up a piece, after piece, trying to make a new one. The result is deformed, full of patters and cracks. It is hard to see who we really are in its reflection.
Why people chase after awakening? To have it all sorted out, to not miss a piece. Peace is found only in completeness. So, what part are you (reader) missing?