Clear Light Mind

by **Jenue** » Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:26 am

what is the Clear Light Mind exactly?
I am familiar with the conceptual definition of it being most subtle level of mind that appears during death, sleep and (if some sources are right) orgasm. But is Clear Light the same consciousness as Rigpa? In dzogchen practices there is an emphasis on being aware of the moment but on the other hand Clear Light sounds to me as some sort of samadhi/ absorption state.

:shrug:

by **heart** » Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:24 am

Jenue wrote:what is the Clear Light Mind exactly?
I am familiar with the conceptual definition of it being most subtle level of mind that appears during death, sleep and (if some sources are right) orgasm. But is Clear Light the same consciousness as Rigpa? In dzogchen practices there is an emphasis on being aware of the moment but on the other hand Clear Light sounds to me as some sort of samadhi/ absorption state.

rtog med rang gsal - Nonconceptual self-cognizance. The basic state of mind that is pointed out by the root guru; free from thoughts and yet naturally cognizing whatever is present [RY]

http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/rtog_med_rang_gsal

It is actually a very good question to your Guru if you have a few minutes alone with him/her.

/magnus

by **DarwidHalim** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:12 am

Clear light doesn't appear just close to death.

It appears at all times, even now.

The difficulty is how do you recognize that in the present moment?

And this is the major aim for direct teaching, such as Zen, Mahamudra, and Dzogchen trying to help us to recognize it at the present time.

Padmashambava actually said in a few of his teachings that some people will achieve enlightenment at the bardo of death, and some will be in the bardo of living. And this one actually related with the recognition of clear light whether now or at the death moment.

I actually do not prefer the definition of subtler mind, it gives a sense as if this clear light is something very very hidden and so tiny.

I prefer Mahamudra term - ordinary mind.

A mind that knows no mind and no clear light.

by **muni** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:38 am

Jenue wrote:what is the Clear Light Mind exactly?
I am familiar with the conceptual definition of it being most subtle level of mind that appears during death, sleep and (if some sources are right) orgasm. But is Clear Light the same consciousness as Rigpa? In dzogchen practices there is an emphasis on being aware of the moment but on the other hand Clear Light sounds to me as some sort of samadhi/ absorption state.

I have no idea. How can I, I am only fixated concept. :shrug:

Still it should be possible to see Clear Light, but no one who sees it and no one produced or created or fabricated it.
I cannot see it, since when I am, it is hidden.

The precious masters, never leaving all encompassing intrinsic awareness (choose term) can guide us.

by **deepbluehum** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:20 pm

Clear Light Mind, od sgal, is rigpa.

by **Andrew108** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:37 pm

muni wrote:
Jenue wrote:what is the Clear Light Mind exactly?
I am familiar with the conceptual definition of it being most subtle level of mind that appears during death, sleep and (if some sources are right) orgasm. But is Clear Light the same consciousness as Rigpa? In dzogchen practices there is an emphasis on being aware of the moment but on the other hand Clear Light sounds to me as some sort of samadhi/ absorption state.

I have no idea. How can I, I am only fixated concept.
Still it should be possible to see Clear Light, but no one who sees it and no one produced or created or fabricated it.
I cannot see it, since when I am, it is hidden.

The precious masters, never leaving all encompassing intrinsic awareness (choose term) can guide us.

Poor Muni. Always juggling.

by **muni** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:37 pm

Andrew108 wrote:
muni wrote:
Jenue wrote:what is the Clear Light Mind exactly?
I am familiar with the conceptual definition of it being most subtle level of mind that appears during death, sleep and (if some sources are right) orgasm. But is Clear Light the same consciousness as Rigpa? In dzogchen practices there is an emphasis on being aware of the moment but on the other hand Clear Light sounds to me as some sort of samadhi/ absorption state.

I have no idea. How can I, I am only fixated concept.
Still it should be possible to see Clear Light, but no one who sees it and no one produced or created or fabricated it.
I cannot see it, since when I am, it is hidden.

The precious masters, never leaving all encompassing intrinsic awareness (choose term) can guide us.

Poor Muni. Always juggling.

Juggling by concepts cannot recognize. Clear Light, Rigpa, Nondual Awareness, Brightfull Sky, whatever concepts...then the meaning of the many descriptions about, remains untapped.

It is "I" or conditioned intellect.

Recognition can be possible by deep devotion into boundless compassion. Emaho!
:anjali: