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Goldstein, Kornfield and One Buddhism - what's missing?

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Postby christopher::: » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:50 pm

Yes, that was my doing - to ask if his thoughts might be expanded as a "truth" of all spiritual traditions, even non-Buddhist. I was just seeking views here, not saying that Goldstein believes this to be so.

My own personal opinion is that people who's minds cling less to the mental phenomena that arise (such as emotions, beliefs, judgments) who practice patience and compassion, who behave ethically and experience life with a sense of humor are "freer" in the way Goldstein described then those who don't. Even those who believe in God and soul..

They stand a good chance of being born as Buddhists in their next life.

:tongue:

But that's just my view.
"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Postby christopher::: » Tue May 10, 2011 1:01 pm

Not sure if this relates or not, but a few of us have been and the brahmaviharas over at ZFI... and how its foundational "emotional" work and sometimes practitioners may focus too much on the mental aspects of practice, neglecting the foundational work needed in regards to cultivating compassion, joy, metta, etc. Do the brahmaviharas serve as a kind of antidote to egoism and help to reduce clinging? Definitely this would seem to be true of the 7 factors of awakening.

I just wonder how far one can go with a focus on primarily mental and contemplative work if these factors are not also being cultivated skillfully in our day-to-day activities and social interactions with others..
"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: Goldstein, Kornfield and One Buddhism - what's missing?

Postby Dan74 » Tue May 10, 2011 1:18 pm

I think that generally this is a natural byproduct of practice - as the heart empties out of the preoccupation with oneself, it fills with kindness for others.

This kindness is not always gentle, however. Those wrathful deities wielding swords hacking away at delusion are the epitome of kindness too, not just the gentle Quan Yin.

Wisdom is the key, as I see it.

Practicing the brahmaviharas with little wisdom one is more likely to annoy the crap out of everyone else (as I have done numerous times!) On the other hand opening up to listen and to be there 100% for the other is more worthwhile.
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Re: Goldstein, Kornfield and One Buddhism - what's missing?

Postby christopher::: » Tue May 10, 2011 1:48 pm

Hi Dan. I think perhaps there's an interdependence there - with wisdom and the brahmaviharas. But for many people i think the brahmaviharas come more easily, its stuff you can learn as children from our parents and family if fortunate. With wisdom and effort we get more skillful - the key thing is to keep practicing, keep the brahmaviharas a priority, imo...

Especially for those of us with children & family!! Practice opportunities are neverending.

But, I dunno.

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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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Re: Goldstein, Kornfield and One Buddhism - what's missing?

Postby Jhana4 » Wed May 25, 2011 12:09 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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