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When a bhikkhu-to-be renounces worldly possessions

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:02 am

Greetings,

I've always wondered about the practicalities of what a bhikkhu does when they enter into the homeless life, with the intention of being committeed to it for life. (i.e. not a Thai teenager who is becoming a monk, knowing full well it's likely to be for a limited duration)

In sorting out their affairs, do they generally give their wealth and assets to their closest family members? To charity? To the monastery they are joining?

What kind of personal items can a bhikkhu keep from his lay-life and use in a Dhammic capacity? e.g. What about a laptop, used as a reference tool, to communicate with others. What about things like Dhamma books etc. which they may already own and have a practical use for? What about his toothbrush?!

Could they for example donate their superannuation to the monestary to help pay for things for the Sangha (e.g. dental care, doctor's bills, supplies, construction materials) and so on?

I realise it's a pretty broad-brush question... so feel free to reply in kind, or with whatever you think may be of interest to others.

To people ever leave things in safe-keeping with relatives or friends just on the off chance that things mightn't go to plan and they return to the household life?

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Re: When a bhikkhu-to-be renounces worldly possessions

Postby pink_trike » Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:28 am

Good questions. And what about health care insurance?
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Postby Cittasanto » Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:43 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: When a bhikkhu-to-be renounces worldly possessions

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Postby retrofuturist » Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:27 pm

Greetings venerable Appicchato,

Thank you.

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Postby David N. Snyder » Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:35 pm

In the U.S. there is no national health insurance and most people are on their own if their employer does not pay for it.

The monks I know mostly go without health insurance because the cost is too high for the community / vihara.

Usually there is at least one member of the community who is a physician who will offer some basic services for the monks for dana, but if a monk needed major surgery, it would be difficult to obtain.
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Postby David N. Snyder » Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:40 pm

Monks are allowed to keep the , but I have heard that in practice, some monks have kept more than that. Certainly a laptop would be useful and used for spreading Dhamma, such as communicating here on Dhamma Wheel and other forums.
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Re: When a bhikkhu-to-be renounces worldly possessions

Postby nathan » Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:18 pm

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Postby gavesako » Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:15 am

In recent years, in the Western monasteries, I have seen an increase of new candidates arriving to become monks and bringing their laptops with them. Most of them also kept them after they were ordained. But in some stricter places they might be asked to "give it up" at least in the sense of not using it at certain times or simply making it available to all community members, i.e. offering it to the Sangha as a whole. Many monks these days own MP3 players or iPods, also in Thailand (usually gifts from relatives). This is meant to be used for listening to Dhamma talks or learning Pali chanting.
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Re: When a bhikkhu-to-be renounces worldly possessions

Postby nathan » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:13 am

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}


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