Hsuan Hua on Homosexuality

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Re: Hsuan Hua on Homosexuality

Postby remm » Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:23 am

undefineable, before you pretend to know what the Master meant, it makes good to actually be present in the audience when a question like this was addressed. Dharma Master Heng Sure has a blogspot, why don't you try giving him a PM and ask DM Sure what the Ven. Master meant in that lecture. Don't try and base the reality of things based on your interpretation of how so and so said what. You act as if I didn't inquire deeply about this issue with other monastics from our way place.

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Re: Hsuan Hua on Homosexuality

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:39 am

Let's say I'm a card-carrying degenerate-age-believin Tibetan fundamentalist Kalachakra-practictioner who believes that the Buddhist king will literally defeat the barbarians in the 25th century.

Even given this I still don't get why I would necessarily believe that whether or not you realize emptiness would depend on who puts what in whom.

Degeneracy surely pertains to difficulty in becoming awakened. What does that have to do with plumbing? (I'm well aware how this is a stupid question WRT Kalachakra - it is a general not specific question).

Sorry chillenz but the question department doesn't just close because our teacher says something or other. And in fact if they tell us it should, quite frankly should they be our teacher any more?

I have never in my life heard one of my teachers say anything like: take it from me, this is downright bad, just don't ever go there, trust me.

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Re: Hsuan Hua on Homosexuality

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Re: Hsuan Hua on Homosexuality

Postby Indrajala » Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:52 am

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Re: Hsuan Hua on Homosexuality

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Re: Hsuan Hua on Homosexuality

Postby remm » Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:21 am

oh, okay. I see--so calling the Venerable Master Hua an uneducated idiot is not slander.

It's interesting how you mention Buddhism shouldn't incorporate Brahman morality when all of Vajrayana Buddhism has been heavily influenced by Kapalika and Sakti orders within India. So, Tibetan Buddhism carries over the morality of the Kapalika and Saivite traditions, so what is your take on this?

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Re: Hsuan Hua on Homosexuality

Postby Tiger » Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:27 am

Namo Amitabha Buddha

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Re: Hsuan Hua on Homosexuality

Postby Tiger » Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:57 am

I would like to add that just because something is a norm doesn't mean it is right (in the sense of Buddhism, as not being unwholesome karma). For example, it is normal to drink human blood among some African tribes, but it is certainly not a wholesome karma. Similarly, it is normal to stone a woman for "adultery" in Middle-Eastern cultures, but this is also not a wholesome Karma.

Homosexuality is unwholesome.

By the way, even heterosexual men and women sometimes indulge in sex with the same sex as theirs. Is that wholesome or unwholesome?
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Re: Hsuan Hua on Homosexuality

Postby Fu Ri Shin » Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:33 am

"Once delusion is extinguished, your wisdom naturally arises and you don’t differentiate suffering and joy. Actually, this joy and this suffering, they are the same."

— Chinese hermit, Amongst White Clouds

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Re: Hsuan Hua on Homosexuality

Postby Fu Ri Shin » Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:48 am

"Once delusion is extinguished, your wisdom naturally arises and you don’t differentiate suffering and joy. Actually, this joy and this suffering, they are the same."

— Chinese hermit, Amongst White Clouds

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Re: Hsuan Hua on Homosexuality

Postby Indrajala » Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:53 am

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Re: Hsuan Hua on Homosexuality

Postby remm » Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:07 am

Huseng, my comment regards to slander was not directed at you but to another person who called Shr Fu an uneducated idiot.

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Re: Hsuan Hua on Homosexuality

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. . . there they saw a rock! But it wasn't a rock . . .

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Re: Hsuan Hua on Homosexuality

Postby Indrajala » Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:14 pm



I sense everyone has had their say in the matter and that further discussion will prove unfruitful.

So, let us close this here.
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