TaTa wrote: The mindfullness has drasticly reduce the "wanting" part of the addiction but still i cant seem to not smoke when someone lights one up around me.
CrawfordHollow wrote:So TaTa: drugs are stupid and a waste of time. There, now you know.
CrawfordHollow wrote:I am not so sure that this is sound advice, Oushi. Telling someone not to abandon their addictions because their addictions are their friends doesn't make much sense to me. I am sure that our experiences with drugs have been quite different. Drugs led me down a very dark and dangerous path. This certaintly is not a universal experience. You can live a decent and safe life while using any intoxicant in moderation. Drug use is bound to create obstacles on the spiritual path, though. It seems as though TaTa has already come to this conclusion and I believe the OP was looking for advice on how to stop their drug habit. When you are on the path it is important to know what to accept and what to abandon. There are things that will help us and things that will hurt us. I know that the Natural State is beyond all of this, but until you can abide in it 24/7 then you are still subject to karmic conditioning. I am no Dzogchen master, but I have read a bit of Longchenpa myself. I am not critisizing anyone for doing anything, that is not my business. I hope you do not take offense Oushi.
So TaTa: drugs are stupid and a waste of time. There, now you know.
oushi wrote:I personally treat marijuana as my friend....Treat it seriously, not like a laughing gas, because it deserves good treating, like a friend.
chickenman wrote: i don't smoke it every day. maybe a couple of times a week
chickenman wrote: just enough to let my mind settle comfortably into the here & now
oushi wrote:You may not know how valuable this experience is. Any revelations during such a sitting?
chickenman wrote:nothing i would call a "revelation" (other that the usual revelations)
"look !!! you are really "here" now"
gregkavarnos wrote:I used to (grow and) smoke, drink lots (hell, my family owned an ouzo distillery), pop any pill that crossed my path, trip, snort, you name it.
It's all just bullshit distractions, addiction to experiences and merely (reduces mindfulness and) clouds your mind. And it's really expensive. Take a moment to add up how much money you spend on it all and consider how you could spend it doing much more interesting and positive things. Consider tobacco for example. At 3 euro a packet per day that's about 1100euro a year. That's two months wages at the current minimum wage here in Greece!!!
For me it took a change of social scene and an avid interest in looking after my body and mind (martial arts and Buddhist meditation) in order to cut loose.
Hate to say it but bad company is actually a big factor. Funny thing is when you stop smoking, but hang out with smokers, you begin to see how absolutely BORING and STUPID they are when they are bent. They think they are so smart and deep but actually... Then you think to yourself: "Shiiiiiittt... I was that stupid and boring too and I didn't even notice it!"
After a while it doesn't even cross your mind to get wasted. I now find the idea of getting wasted completely and utterly boring. My mind is WAY more interesting when it is lucid then when it is clouded.
Good luck people! Keep up with being straight, it is 100% worth the effort!
tomamundsen wrote:Personally, I have a lot of experience with high meditation, so I'd like to offer my opinion. Yes, pot has helped me easily become absorbed in the present and drop discursive thought, it has even made visualizations more vivid and allowed me to feel the energy of mantras in a very direct and powerful way. However, it has the disadvantage that when I become distracted, its harder to notice that I am distracted and right myself. I imagine this is linked with short-term memory impairment. I've had similar effects with LSD, although that has let me get even deeper into non-discursive mental patterns even quicker. But it has the same short-term memory problem of eventually becoming distracted and not being able to fix that as quickly as when sober.
But, the even bigger problem is that reliance on anything external is contrived and ultimately a crutch. It's best to figure out how to do this on your own, because you'll eventually have to if you want any realization.
You misread what I said, I did not say that the experiences are boring I said that people high on drugs make for boring company.tomamundsen wrote:Greg, I'm sure you understand that psychoactives affect people differently. Just because drugs are boring to you doesn't mean they're boring to others. Look at this artist's self portraits under the influence of a cornucopia of various drugs - http://cultso.com/artist-takes-every-dr ... -each-use/. Boring would be one of the last possible ways I would describe this stuff.