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 Post subject: Re: The Song of Vajra
PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:49 pm 
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Malcolm wrote:
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and there is a precise tempo, wether slow (http://www.shangshunginstitute.net/webcast/files/SOV_SLOW.pdf) or fast (http://www.shangshunginstitute.net/webcast/files/SOV_FAST.pdf) ... it is not supposed to be sung otherwise.

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I think you are being a little too rigid there, Sonam. Even ChNN does not sing SOV the way Adriano has transcribed it.

Yeah hahaha. As far as I understood Adriano in that webcast that's the way it's supposed to be in done in the dance of the vajra because it's coordinated with movements. When alone I try to sing it as close as I'm able to the way Adriano taught it then, but we don't sing it quite like that with Rinpoche.

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 Post subject: Re: The Song of Vajra
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Malcolm wrote:
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and there is a precise tempo, wether slow (http://www.shangshunginstitute.net/webcast/files/SOV_SLOW.pdf) or fast (http://www.shangshunginstitute.net/webcast/files/SOV_FAST.pdf) ... it is not supposed to be sung otherwise.

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I think you are being a little too rigid there, Sonam. Even ChNN does not sing SOV the way Adriano has transcribed it.


Of course, when you are transported, it may vary ... but it also comes as such by itself.

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 Post subject: Re: The Song of Vajra
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Pero wrote:
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Below is the fast version

One can do it in the thun this way?

Sure.

Thanks. I'll do that.

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 Post subject: Re: The Song of Vajra
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The video is very joyful, and also done with good sense of humor considering the original Rinpoche's melody and the subject.
The melody actually resembles the fast way of Song of Vajra though it is interpretation of course.
I like the whole thing very much and it makes me have a laugh (with the singer also laughing in the last verse, I suppose).
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 Post subject: Re: The Song of Vajra
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I've heard a teacher once remark that sometimes when people chant it is as if they were at a funeral. This certainly can't be accused of that!


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 Post subject: Re: The Song of Vajra
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pawel wrote:
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Did you figure out why the guy has wings on the back of his hoodie??


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 Post subject: Re: The Song of Vajra
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I heard from some older practitioners that there used to be a very Indian sounding version with sithars but still keeping the main melody. I have never heard it before though. Was it one of the variants alluded to above or was it ever an "official" melody?


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 Post subject: Re: The Song of Vajra
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Rinpoche's "Music for the Dance of the Vajra" is on Amazon and the version of SOV is slow and quite beautiful.


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 Post subject: Re: The Song of Vajra
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Pero wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
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and there is a precise tempo, wether slow (http://www.shangshunginstitute.net/webcast/files/SOV_SLOW.pdf) or fast (http://www.shangshunginstitute.net/webcast/files/SOV_FAST.pdf) ... it is not supposed to be sung otherwise.

Sönam



I think you are being a little too rigid there, Sonam. Even ChNN does not sing SOV the way Adriano has transcribed it.

Yeah hahaha. As far as I understood Adriano in that webcast that's the way it's supposed to be in done in the dance of the vajra because it's coordinated with movements. When alone I try to sing it as close as I'm able to the way Adriano taught it then, but we don't sing it quite like that with Rinpoche.


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 Post subject: Re: The Song of Vajra
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Malcolm wrote:

I follow the boss.

Springsteen?

:tongue:
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 Post subject: Re: The Song of Vajra
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I got a reply from Yeshi that Jan's version has actually been used for some public events.


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 Post subject: Re: The Song of Vajra
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Virgo wrote:
Springsteen?

:tongue:
Kevin



I like him almost as much as I like Melloncamp.

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 Post subject: Re: The Song of Vajra
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I got a reply from Yeshi that Jan's version has actually been used for some public events.


A Bollywood Indian Pop Festival? ... with the angel wings on the back.

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 Post subject: Re: The Song of Vajra
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Pero wrote:
Adriano Clemente taught very precisely how to sing it in 2010, it was webcasted. I think we never really sing it like that. But then that way was more related to the vajra dance, where everything has to be more precise. Below is the fast version from that webcast (you can go faster still).



This is the one I find easiest and enjoy most. I don't seem able to learn the slow version easily.

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 Post subject: Re: The Song of Vajra
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I received a first answer from my gakyil ...

"OK, Rinpoche a seulement dit OK!!! combien de fois ne nous a-t-il pas donné cet ex , on voudrait que les choses soient blanches ou noires mais ce n'est peut-être pas le cas! ..."

Ok, Rinpoche only said Ok!!! How many time did he gives us that exemple, we would like the thigs to be white or black but it's may be not the case ...

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 Post subject: Re: The Song of Vajra
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SSJ3Gogeta wrote:
pawel wrote:
:heart: (watched twice already)



Did you figure out why the guy has wings on the back of his hoodie??

Yeah, sure.
Everytime I sing the Song of Vajra I've wings on my hoodie too. It's normal.

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 Post subject: Re: The Song of Vajra
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pawel wrote:
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Did you figure out why the guy has wings on the back of his hoodie??

Yeah, sure.
Everytime I sing the Song of Vajra I've wings on my hoodie too. It's normal.

;)


Guys. Isn't it obvious? Hermes became a Buddhist. :thumbsup:

And call me a relic, but that double rainbow appearing as soon as they started filming kinda suggests that it may not be the most inauspicious thing ever...

SoV is sublime and precious as is, but as Malcolm said, the words are liberation through hearing no matter what. Being super rigid and attached to the sanctity of the melody probably isn't going to help us.

At a recent Tsog, my good Bhutanese Khenpo friend sang the Vajra Guru mantra to the tune of Amazing Grace. I'm sure Guru Rinpoche never intended that, but it was wonderful.


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 Post subject: Re: The Song of Vajra
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Anyone know when the SOV was first taught to humans?

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Blue Garuda wrote:
Anyone know when the SOV was first taught to humans?

I imagine when the Union Of Sun And Moon tantra was first transmitted.

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 Post subject: Re: The Song of Vajra
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No need to ask lamas on these basic questions. If we can't draw basic conclusions on this then looking at many Tibetan & Nepalese & Bhutanese pop videos which have non secret Mantras AND lamas, not just footage, in them should suffice for those of us obsessed with rituals or signs, missing the essence & even basic codes of behavior.

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