Females who achieved rainbow body

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AFAIK, could be wrong, there are 3 types of disappearing bodies. First is the atomic one where physical remains vanish. Then the second type which is sign of a even greater realized person or rainbow body as a result of thogal. Conceptual vehicles' fruits do not really compare to the fruits of Dzogchen's 4 visions/thogal & if they claim so it is false. Here the body starts to shrink but sometimes it stops shrinking & there are many reasons for this. Dudjom rinpoche's body shrank. It does not mean he was lesser realized than for example his Gelug disciple, a lama, who practiced his terma & got rainbow body in Tibet several years ago. Or Dudjom Lingpa's 13 disciples who achieved rainbow body. Sometimes it is samaya breaker students stopping rainbow body, sometimes they want to leave something to benefit beings or future purposes, or many other reasons.

If the shrinking body was not intended to stop by the person at a certain stage, then disturbing it can stop it disappearing too. Also there are two types of subcategories with rainbow bodies (of 2nd main type due to thogal): With intended remainder certain parts/organs (not a shrunken case: normal with remainder) & Without. With such remainder in parts means not just hair & nails or a shrunken whole body but certain organs can be intended to remain behind for purposes as Longchenpa did with his skull etc. Often in old Tibet disciples would disturb a shrinking body so it would not disappear completely & cremate it for ringsals or other sacred remainders. Third type is the great transfer body like Padma & Vima & if I am not wrong Mandarava which is extremely rare & is not dying at all but basically they change form. Yeshe Tsogyal & her other main consort (Atsara Sale) achieved rainbow body too as did many other women. The two quotes below are from 2 books by Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche, second one on a female practitioner. Many rainbow bodies were by non famous practitioners on retreat in the wild & not documented either, they just disappeared.

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Tulku Urgyen Rinoche, Blazing Splendor:

"There had been a prediction from the Lotus-Born master that both Karmey
Khenpo and Kongtrul would manifest the rainbow body at the time of death, a
sign of great realization. Perhaps it was due to their extensive efforts to benefit
others-they were always busy with their many disciples-that neither ended up
manifesting the rainbow body.

There are many factors involved in whether a practitioner attains the rainbow
body. Karmey Khenpo, for instance, did reach the level at which all mental phenomena
dissolve back into the basic nature of reality: the exhaustion of concepts
and phenomena. But even though at that exalted level he should have displayed
the rainbow body-the outward sign of this state of realization-he did not do
so.

Likewise, the terma revelations of Chokgyur Lingpa predicted that Kongtrul
would leave in a rainbow body when he passed away. But this was prevented
because his activities on behalf of sentient beings were too encompassing. One
major reason for this is that when there are a lot of disciples, then there are sure
to be some broken samayas by some of them; broken samayas have consequences
for the teacher and so can prevent the manifestation of a rainbow body. The
tantric teachings describe the rainbow body with remainder: an occurrence that
depends upon the purity of samaya of disciples and benefactors.

But there are exceptions: not too long ago, Nyagla Perna Dudul attained the
rainbow body when he died in the middle of his camp of five hundred disciples;
it seems none of them managed to prevent it. Still, most other teachers with the
same level of realization, and who have taught openly and widely to numerous
disciples, typically do not attain a rainbow body, despite the possibility that they
would have done so if they had had fewer students. That is probably why it is taught,
"If you want to attain the rainbow body, don't have too many disciples"
"

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Tulku Urgyen Rinoche, Rainbow Painting:

"Here is another story about rainbow body. During the days of Khyentse
and Kongtrül, there was a person who obtained rainbow body who became
quite famous. He was called Nyag-la Pema Düdül, and this event was
witnessed by many people. I personally know of two people who left this
life in rainbow form. One was a Vajrayana lay practitioner in the region of
Derge. The other person took rainbow body in the cow shed of one of my
gurus’ mother’s household. This event was witnessed by several people.

Jamgön Kongtrül the Second told me this story, so I definitely feel it is
true. Jamgön Kongtrül’s brother, a very tall and handsome man, was
present at the time. It happened like this. An elderly nun came through their
village on pilgrimage. When she saw the wealthy household she asked for a
place where she could make a short retreat. They offered her one of their
vacant cow sheds. She told them, “I want to use it for a week to make a strict
retreat. I want the door sealed up. Please pile stones against the door
because I don’t want any disturbance.” Since they were used to sponsoring
practitioners, they agreed and no one thought twice about it. They said,
“Sure, you can have it your way.” They didn’t know who was going to
look after her and bring her food; they thought she had already made
arrangements.

After three days, some strange phenomena began to occur. Scintillating,
swirling light-rays of different colors were seeping out of the holes
and cracks of the cow shed’s stone wall. Light was shining out from under
the roof; while outside the shed, spheres of light moved rapidly about. The
people of the house wondered, “What’s going on here? Who’s looking
after the old woman? Who’s bringing her food?” They asked their
servants. The servants thought someone else was giving her food, but
actually no one was. They decided she must have been cooking for herself,
but Jamgön Kongtrül’s brother asked, “Is there any place to cook inside?”
The servants said, “No, no. There is no fireplace or anything.” So they
wondered, “What is she eating? Does she have any water? What are these
lights all about?”

Finally, they decided to take a look. They removed the pile of stones
and pried open the door; they saw that the body of the nun had fallen to
pieces. Her hands were lying in one place and her feet were lying in
another; her limbs were no longer connected to the body, but lay scattered
in pieces. From the ends of the bones, swirls of rainbow light were coiling
out as the body continued to fall apart. The observers asked each other,
“What is this? It looks like she’s dead!” One person had the presence of
mind to say, “Let’s leave her alone. It looks like something unusual is
happening here. She asked for seven days of solitude so let’s do as she
asked.” And saying that, they sealed the shed up again.

When they returned after the seventh day and opened the shed, the
rainbow lights had vanished. Not a drop of blood, nor flesh, nor bones
could be found anywhere. Only the nails from the fingers and toes
remained, lying there very neatly, along with a hank of hair. This event
most definitely happened.

Even after the Chinese arrived, two or three people in Golok attained
rainbow body. Nyoshul Khen Rinpoche, who is very careful about such
stories, went to Tibet and through many different sources tracked down the
names and places of these people. He is keeping all the details very
precisely. Two of these people attained rainbow body. The third person
was being beaten by the Chinese when suddenly he started to levitate
upwards until they could not reach him. He went higher and higher until
he vanished. This is a type of celestial accomplishment. So, it’s definitely
true that even these days people do attain rainbow body, and that there are
still practitioners who attain accomplishment.

The terma tradition gives direct teachings on how to attain rainbow
body. In the Kagyü tradition, it is said that mind dissolves into dharmata,
while the body dissolves into atoms. Of the 84 mahasiddhas of India, not a
single one died leaving a corpse behind. Of Padmasambhava’s 25
disciples, only one person left a physical body behind at the time of death.
His name was Langchen Palgyi Senge and his body is still enshrined in a
stupa at Paro Taktsang.

In the present age, it seems as though people are not very diligent.
They do not apply themselves continuously to the teachings; they do not
practice day and night. This is the only difference between the present
situation and that of the past, when there were so many great practitioners.
The teachings themselves are still available through an unbroken lineage;
they have not disappeared.
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Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Females who achieved rainbow body

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Thanks for posting those stories username. Very inspiring.
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Yeah I suspected it was Kangkar Rinpoche, one of ChNN's main teachers, b7t you kept saying Kunga. :rolling:

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