Taego Lineage Seminary

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Re: Taego Lineage Seminary

Postby Indrajala » Sun Jul 18, 2010 4:02 pm

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Re: Taego Lineage Seminary

Postby Astus » Sun Jul 18, 2010 6:42 pm

I don't see online seminaries, or even university courses as a problem. Besides a monastic education other, common forms of tuition are mastered by the student alone and the presence of teachers are only for convenience's sake. Living as a monk is a change of life form, similar to joining the army or other specific groups who create their own society within a society. But if it is about learning, online materials are as good as books and lectures.

The quality of teachers are not guaranteed by attending a seminary or a university. Moral integrity is not assured by a teacher-student relationship. This culture likes certificates, diplomas and qualifications. Papers to measure one's competence in a field of knowledge. But as we know, test results reflect only a temporary knowledge of answers. Religious certificates are not beyond this paradigm of competence. Jorn Borup's "Japanese Rinzai Zen Buddhism - Myoshinji, a living religion" gives a good look of an elaborate church hierarchy codified in a "big book of rules". Just to give an example, to become a "second grade teacher" (held by 44.9% of priests) requires: 1) have graduated from the Buddhist studies department at Hanazono University and spent two years in the sōdō, or 2) hold a Ph.D. degree (from any university) and have spent two years in the sōdō, or 3) have graduated from high school and spent seven years in the sōdō, or 4) have graduated from junior high school and spent ten years in the sōdō etc.

We may think that hierarchy is really a "holy order" but that's pretty naive. If it is knowledge and practice that counts, an online course can be as good as attending a seminary. There isn't much control over who can become a school teacher even though they are responsible for educating future generations - not to mention the total lack of criteria for becoming a parent. A Buddhist teacher in the West deals with grown ups most of the time who are supposed to be capable of making their own choices and they have to decide what kind of teacher they want to listen to. Of course, such view of adult men and women are just as idealistic as that of the enlightened masters.

This online seminary gives the basics of Buddhism and looks kosher. I think it produces more people who actively spread the Dharma and that is already wonderful.
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Taego Lineage Seminary

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Re: Taego Lineage Seminary

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Re: Taego Lineage Seminary

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Re: Taego Lineage Seminary

Postby Astus » Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:01 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Taego Lineage Seminary

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Re: Taego Lineage Seminary

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Re: Taego Lineage Seminary

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Re: Taego Lineage Seminary

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
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Re: Taego Lineage Seminary

Postby Astus » Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:05 pm

Huseng,

I've raised no question about the validity or importance of monastic training. Being a renunciate is different from being a lay person in certain aspects that's why I made no comparison between them. The Taego Order provides a way for interested people to learn some Dharma and be certified by that organisation as a teacher. Suppose the Nalanda University is finished and one gets a certificate from there it will be another kind of authentication by another organisation. Most probably a Nalanda degree will be more prestigious than one from IBS-Austria.

Still, I think that online education should not be looked down. It has its purpose and function. Definitely it is not a monastic training, not even a retreat. But if the materials taught are well organised it can be pretty high class which results in educated teachers.

First there was the oral tradition, then came writing and printing, now we have the internet. Gradually the spreading of information became easier and easier. This results in open source and zero control. Quite similar to freedom of religion. Everyone has the legal right to start a Buddhist church and do it in whatever way they like it. No king, no emperor to control it. There are already so many Buddhist organisations from very old to very new. We may take any side, join any group. The so called Chan Sect was a marginal group of different people that could eventually rise to prominence through lot of scheming and political connections so that today we say Chan is traditional and orthodox. A virtual academy today, a world religion tomorrow.
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Taego Lineage Seminary

Postby Bodhi » Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:50 am

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Re: Taego Lineage Seminary

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Re: Taego Lineage Seminary

Postby Indrajala » Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:36 am

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Re: Taego Lineage Seminary

Postby DGA » Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:16 pm

For reference, it may be useful to compare Taego's program with the pedagogy at the Tendai Buddhist Institute, which is training clergy through a mixed program of distance education and a series of ten-day summer intensives (like doing 60 days at Hiei-zan over six summers).

http://www.tendai.org/index.php?id=46

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Re: Taego Lineage Seminary

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Re: Taego Lineage Seminary

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Re: Taego Lineage Seminary

Postby Aemilius » Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:33 pm

What is there to clarify?
As to the first point: if we follow the guidelines of the Lotus sutra one should never discuss such things as whether some else follows or does not follow the precepts.
And to the second point: It requires some study of history and folk culture and common proverbs concerning monks etc in Japan (and Korea if you wish) in 1700's and 1800's.
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Re: Taego Lineage Seminary

Postby Astus » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:16 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.




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