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Luminous Mind. - What is it?

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Re: Luminous Mind. - What is it?

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Re: Luminous Mind. - What is it?

Postby kirk5a » Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:28 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Luminous Mind. - What is it?

Postby Dan74 » Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:03 pm

It seems to me like there are two conversations here. One leans more on the scriptural side and emphasizes what is necessary for nibbana while warning about assigning any qualities to "it", reifying and attaching to experiences on the way.

The other conversation is more about experience. The clarity and luminosity encountered in practice. To my ears it seems that the Sutta in the OP, as well as Ajahns Mun, Maha Bua and Chah are coming more from this side.

May be worth pointing out the two perspectives...
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Re: Luminous Mind. - What is it?

Postby Kenshou » Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:40 pm

If you don't mind my interjection, I believe that the division between the individual and the knowing is a false dichotomy.

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Re: Luminous Mind. - What is it?

Postby Kenshou » Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:30 am

I think it suffices to say that when there is the eye and forms there is sight-consciousness and so on for the other 5, no reason to get into loops of proliferation about the knowing knowing the knowing.

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Re: Luminous Mind. - What is it?

Postby alan » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:40 am

Agreed. Now let's shut this down. Nothing more needs to be said.

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Re: Luminous Mind. - What is it?

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_/|\_

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Re: Luminous Mind. - What is it?

Postby Dan74 » Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:47 am

Then I don't understand what is meant by "knowing of the knowing". Without a knower who knows, there is just knowing, as far as I can tell.
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Re: Luminous Mind. - What is it?

Postby alan » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:32 am

You have wandered into a thicket of views--any way you turn you are sure to be hurt. Best to leave.

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Re: Luminous Mind. - What is it?

Postby Ben » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:40 am

Dear members

In a bid to ensure this thread remains a meaningful discussion, I ask that you provide textual support for your arguments when replying in this thread.
Thanks for your cooperation.

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: Luminous Mind. - What is it?

Postby chownah » Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:43 pm

To paraphrase the Buddha....knowing there is but no knower can be found....I want to be clear that I don't think that the Buddha said this....in my memory he said something similar which was more along the lines of suffering there is but no sufferor can be found....if anyone knows of their knowing of the known knowledge of what the Buddha actually said along these lines I would greatly appreciate if they could drop off a post containing a reference and/or link right here in this tread....
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