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Unfair Criticism?

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Unfair Criticism?

Postby clw_uk » Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:09 am

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Re: Unfair Criticism?

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Re: Unfair Criticism?

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:43 am

Greetings,

It would seem that the author prizes philosophy over liberation. I guess everyone's got their own priorities.

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Unfair Criticism?

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:14 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Unfair Criticism?

Postby thecap » Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:28 am

Hi friends.

I don't know if it's fair. But what about discernment?

Isn't it more interesting to know what part of it is true and what is mere polemics?

(Asking the fair question sort of implies that you think it can't be entirely false critique.)

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Re: Unfair Criticism?

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:05 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Unfair Criticism?

Postby jcsuperstar » Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:23 am

i went and read that whole article, and he makes a lot of valid points,however i think his solutions are somewhat absurd, and if not outright they at least border on wanting to cause a schism in the sangha... :thinking:
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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: Unfair Criticism?

Postby Ben » Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:45 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Unfair Criticism?

Postby nathan » Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:15 am

Bob Dylan has the penthouse in the Tower of Song. Bob Rules! :jumping: :smile: :anjali:
But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Unfair Criticism?

Postby cooran » Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:49 am

I'm a Bob Dylan fan also. :group:

He has 144 pages (and counting) on Wikipedia:

Songs by Bob Dylan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:S ... _Bob_Dylan

How many do PSB's have? :rofl:

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Re: Unfair Criticism?

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:05 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Unfair Criticism?

Postby Fede » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:40 am

(off-Topic, or what.....?! :bow: :clap: )
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: Unfair Criticism?

Postby cooran » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:42 am

Call those REAL MEN'S HATS?

These are REAL MEN'S HATS
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And, of course, this is about Dhamma .... so ..... I'm really just showing how we are all subject to birth aging sickness and death. Not to mention impermanence ....

This was Bob Dylan as we first knew him .....


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See what wearing hats does to you?? :shock:

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Re: Unfair Criticism?

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:47 am

The hat suits Bob... alternatively, with hair like that maybe he should have become a bhikkhu.

Pass the clippers...

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Unfair Criticism?

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Re: Unfair Criticism?

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:05 am

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Q: Are we not men? A: We are Devo!

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Unfair Criticism?

Postby cooran » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:13 am

---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---

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Re: Unfair Criticism?

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Re: Unfair Criticism?

Postby kc2dpt » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:47 pm

What about ?
(Pet Shop Buys are fun to listen to on occasion. Bob Dylan is as well.)
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Re: Unfair Criticism?

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:46 pm

XTC


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