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Dispassion vs. work life?

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Dispassion vs. work life?

Postby starter » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:40 pm

Hello Teachers/Friends,

I've been trying to take work life and daily life as part of my dhamma practice, to practice mindfulness, clear comprehension, loving kindness, compassion, empathetic joy, equanimity, generosity, gratitude, contentment, patience ... But as dispassion in the conditioned world develop more and more, I have less and less interest and motivation for daily work which sometimes could really cause problem. How do you handle this? Your kind advice would be very appreciated,

Metta,

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Re: Dispassion vs. work life?

Postby bodom » Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:01 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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Re: Dispassion vs. work life?

Postby Ben » Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:49 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Dispassion vs. work life?

Postby mlswe » Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:36 pm

how does your family situation look like?

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Re: Dispassion vs. work life?

Postby James the Giant » Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:10 am

It seems to me this is a clear example of a householder straying into territory usually encountered by bhikkus.
The householder's path vs the ordained path.
There was a big thread about a similar topic ... I think a similar thing was encountered by Retrofuturist? Ah yes here it is viewtopic.php?f=22&t=6521
Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Re: Dispassion vs. work life?

Postby chownah » Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:39 am

It is difficult for one person to know what is happening with another person from the little evidence of a post or two....but....maybe it is a good thing that you are losing passion for your work....I suggest just keep on working....if you just do things because of your passion for them then you are just a slave to your passion...it is probably a good thing to learn to function in life without the carrot of passion....I guess....
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Re: Dispassion vs. work life?

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:13 am

Greetings Starter,

You might find some useful advice in this topic...

Avoiding limbo - inbetween the homeless and the home life
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=6521

If I could give you some advice as someone who has been through this problem and is coming out the other end, it's worth taking the effort to find a job (or even a way to approach or look at your job, in terms of framing) that involves having the opportunity to serve and to see the benefits that come from that service. That will then be Right Livelihood and will be an integrated part of your practice, rather than something that seems (and quite possibly is, otherwise) pointless.

Metta,
Retro. :)
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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Dispassion vs. work life?

Postby Ben » Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:01 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Dispassion vs. work life?

Postby starter » Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:52 pm

Hello Teachers/Friends,

Your very kind and insightful comments/advice have been most appreciated. I learned a lot from both this one and Retro's previous thread. I'd like to share with you my new understanding:

“If there is conflict what is the root of that?”
-- The root is the desire to spend my time on learning/understanding Dhamma and “doing” Dhamma practice (sitting/walking meditation, contemplations/reflec tions, communicating with our Dhamma friends …), instead of spending my time on worldly things which are all anicca/dukkha/anatta anyway, and which I have no interest in doing (aversion?). Or in other words, I still didn’t really take the daily activities as part of my Dhamma practice, and even worse – applied the Dhamma of anicca/dukkha/anatta/disenchantment/dispassion/let-go to them unwisely. What should be let-go is my ignorance/delusion and my liking/disliking of the worldly things, not the worldly things themselves!

The Dhamma practice is not only “doing” sitting/walking meditation and etc., but should be ”done” every moment of my conscious life. Everything I do can be used as an opportunity to watch over the mind and remove its liking/greed, disliking/aversion and delusion of “I”/”my”.

I agree that our defilements can be removed/delivered in lay life without ordain (several well-respected monks have advised me to stay as lay practitioner since they don't know a good place for nuns at this moment). But I think a more wisdom/vipasana-based approach would probably suit us better, since it’s difficult for us to spend lots of time on sitting/walking meditation without interference to attain deep jhana. I don’t know how the Buddha’s lay disciples had attained arahantship (I’d be interested in learning that). I only know that Master Huineng was enlightened as a lay practitioner, even without a teacher around him. It appears to me that he had no greed/aversion/conceit left, and he passed away in Samadhi, like the Buddha – knowing well in advance the date of his parinibbana. He had all those supernormal powers, for instance, mind reading, knowing his murders within his life time and even after his life time. His entire body has existed well for about 1300 years in very hot and humid condition without any treatment. Even though he founded another school (Southern Chan/Zen) and was not a Theravadin (it was not possible for him then), his method of practice [http://www.sinc.sunysb.edu/Clubs/buddhism/huineng/content.html] could still be considered/referenced by us. This is only my personal opinion, and I hope no attacks would be made to him if you don’t agree with me.

Metta to all,

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Re: Dispassion vs. work life?

Postby Ben » Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:41 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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