How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:

[udawa]

It's not often that I read anything here that really makes me smile.

This did for some reason.

Thanks

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[muni]

Teaching melon pushing cat? Moon in water. Our mind fishes the moon reflection out of the water for investigation. By investigation of mind, the reflections are easier seen.

[DarwidHalim]

This watermelon is pushing the cat out of a lake.

Your invalidity is (just) an argument.

[viniketa]

This watermelon is pushing the cat out of a lake.

Obviously, the watermellon is pulling the cat out of the lake...

[Andrew108]

The thing that bores me more than anything is dzogchen and the fixation on rainbow body. How can I get rainbow body? We can get rainbow body! Just do guru yoga. Follow what the master says.
Then there are those who teach themselves from books and become their own teachers.
Actually all Buddhists conversations are pretty much irrelevant now that I think about it.

[Malcolm]

Then there are those who teach themselves from books and become their own teachers..

[Serious note] Those sort of people do not acheive rainbow body, or any much, for that matter.

[Andrew108]

Talking about death is a good one. Buddhists think that they can work a few tricks into dying and get something out of it. When I saw my Mum die I realised that you just die and there's no room for contrived tricks or techniques. I hated all the Buddhist books about how to die well. How to have a good death. It's an industry preying on our fear. Just like Madhyamaka makes geniuses of us all and Dzogchen will give us rainbow bodies.

[viniketa]

Talking about death is a good one. Buddhists think that they can work a few tricks into dying and get something out of it. When I saw my Mum die I realised that you just die and there's no room for contrived tricks or techniques. I hated all the Buddhist books about how to die well. How to have a good death. It's an industry preying on our fear. Just like Madhyamaka makes geniuses of us all and Dzogchen will give us rainbow bodies.

"Dying a good death" is important, as one who has seen a lot of violent or long wasting-disease deaths. It's as important for the living left-behind as for the dying person.

Do I detect a bit of a crises in faith, here, Andrew108? It's an easy 'view' to fall into. Once the falling starts, stopping the falling is difficult. Even if just seen as 'metaphors', the lessons of Buddha are important.

Perhaps you need a rest from Buddhist forums



P.S. Apologies if I am misreading and becoming too serious!

[DarwidHalim]

If during awake, the truth of Buddha is unseen, it is extremely hard to see that during the death time.

It will be already too late to do something at that moment.

Why do you see buddhism as Madyamaka and Dzogchen?

Buddhism is about seeing reality as precisely as possible and that is all.

There is no Madyamaka there, there is no Dzogchen there, there is no Mahayana there, there is no Theravada there. Why should we care about it?

[Malcolm]

There is no Madyamaka there, there is no Dzogchen there, there is no Mahayana there, there is no Theravada there. Why should we care about it?

[conebeckham]

This is all well and good, Watermelons, cats, and yogic drowning, but who's going to get my son a job, that's what I wanna know?

[Indrajala]

There is no Madyamaka there, there is no Dzogchen there, there is no Mahayana there, there is no Theravada there. Why should we care about it?

In which case there is no Dharma Wheel there. There is no Buddhist forum there. There is only reality precisely seen as possible and that is all.

Words fail to ascertain the profound reality therein of "no Dharma Wheel" and "no Buddhist forum", so why speak?

The quintessential subtle reality of "no Dharma Wheel" is profound. Bewildering. Awesome. Silent.

[Indrajala]

The thread has gone insane and belongs in the Lounge now.


Go nuts people.

[DarwidHalim]

By the way, has Nagarjuna ever said he is Madyamaka?

Has Garab Dorje ever said he taught Dzogchen view?

Has Bodhidharma ever said he is Zen master?

Isn't it foolish then to put that on your journey and feel you belong to this or that?

[Blue Garuda]

This is all well and good, Watermelons, cats, and yogic drowning, but who's going to get my son a job, that's what I wanna know?

Dad.

I'm advising my girls to look at the potential in India, or of working with clients based in India.

I hear they have vacancies in the 'Drowning Cats in Watermelons' department of the US Embassy there....

[Andrew108]

Do I detect a bit of a crises in faith, here, Andrew108? It's an easy 'view' to fall into. Once the falling starts, stopping the falling is difficult. Even if just seen as 'metaphors', the lessons of Buddha are important.

Perhaps you need a rest from Buddhist forums



P.S. Apologies if I am misreading and becoming too serious!

Not really a crisis of faith. I still consider Buddhist and Dzogchen methods the best at cutting through all the suffering that goes on in the world . It's just that I don't try to get anything anymore. I see sanity, openness and the wish to communicate as the real goals to aim for. Basic sanity means not running away from the ordinary. Openness means not having a strategy or wish to control someone or condition them with Buddhist views. And wish to communicate means talking to anyone about anything and hoping to be of benefit. For example I see sex as a wish to communicate and so I'm not hung up on Buddhist morality so much these days.
About Dzogchen - it is truly amazing but it's not something I really want to talk about. The only thing I want to get from it are enhanced sanity, enhanced openness and enhanced wish to communicate. I certainly don't want rainbow body or some monstrous realization that would make me mind other people's business.

[viniketa]

Openness means not having a strategy or wish to control someone or condition them with Buddhist views.

Ah, at least you are still sane, then.

Thanks for the reply.

[Blue Garuda]

At this point insert:

''I know it's wrong but I REALLY fancy the Borg Queen, even if that duality is contra to the collective non-duality..'

[dharmagoat]

This watermelon is pushing the cat out of a lake.

Obviously, the watermellon is pulling the cat out of the lake...

You are both wrong, the cat is pushing the watermelon out of the lake while the watermelon is pushing the cat into the lake. Look closely and apply some physics.

[conebeckham]

For every cat, there is an equal an opposite watermelon.

Yep.