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How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:

Postby Malcolm » Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:04 pm

Example:

Q: How does karma work?

A1: Karma means intention and what results from intention

A2: There is no karma because karma is just a name...

Conversation sputters and dies and or goes off into long irrelevant screeds about "prasanga" madhyamaka, etc.
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:

Postby oushi » Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:20 pm

Great example. I will try it next time :tongue: .

How about developing short and fast answer for sunyata addicts, that will easily extinguish their enthusiasm?
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:

Postby conebeckham » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:03 pm

My son's name is Karma....as to how he works, well......

He's a recent graduate. Need I say more?
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:

Postby Malcolm » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:10 pm

conebeckham wrote:My son's name is Karma....as to how he works, well......

He's a recent graduate. Need I say more?


In reality you do not have any son. Why, because if you had a son, then your son must have inherently arisen, but since there is no inherent existence your son cannot have arisen. Since there is no arising, you do not have any son, because it is impossible that there can be any arising. And we all know that this is what prasanga says, and even that does not say anything...
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:

Postby muni » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:48 pm

We easely forget the beauty of interaction by shooting our view to eachother. We forget in righteness; dependency - no inherent existence.

Regarding that arisen;
Not to know the equality of appearance emptiness
And get attached to appearances alone is delusion
But to get attached to emptiness alone is delusion too
If you know the equality of appearance emptiness
There's no need to get caught up in or give up phenomena...
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:

Postby David N. Snyder » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:51 pm

Or the other one is that there is no killing since there is no soul and anyway, we don't exist. There is no person, animal, being to kill. And the animal, human, being will be reborn, so you can't kill him anyway. :rolleye:

Such rubbish could justify a small killing to even a genocide.

Which of course is poetic nonsense as the Buddha clearly mentioned how all beings suffer and feel pain and how we should not cause them pain or death.
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:

Postby conebeckham » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:48 pm

Malcolm wrote:
conebeckham wrote:My son's name is Karma....as to how he works, well......

He's a recent graduate. Need I say more?


In reality you do not have any son. Why, because if you had a son, then your son must have inherently arisen, but since there is no inherent existence your son cannot have arisen. Since there is no arising, you do not have any son, because it is impossible that there can be any arising. And we all know that this is what prasanga says, and even that does not say anything...


Excellent, and thanks! I'll let him know....I'm sure it will make his job search that much easier.

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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:

Postby conebeckham » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:49 pm

oh....and as for his "Arising," he'd stand a better chance of working if he could get his arising to happen prior to the noon hour.


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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:

Postby Malcolm » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:53 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:Or the other one is that there is no killing since there is no soul and anyway, we don't exist. There is no person, animal, being to kill. And the animal, human, being will be reborn, so you can't kill him anyway. :rolleye:

Such rubbish could justify a small killing to even a genocide.

Which of course is poetic nonsense as the Buddha clearly mentioned how all beings suffer and feel pain and how we should not cause them pain or death.


Buddha was merely speaking to those who are ignorant of their own non-existence. Once they understand they do not exist, they will cease to feel any pain. Remember, after all, you only feel pain if you are ignorant. Even that ignorance of course is merely a convention, just like Buddha, in which case we can be free of any struggle at all, now that we have discerned that since neither Buddha nor suffering exist we can all relax... :cheers: Prasanga Beer!
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:

Postby Tarpa » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:22 pm

oushi wrote:Great example. I will try it next time :tongue: .

How about developing short and fast answer for sunyata addicts, that will easily extinguish their enthusiasm?


Sure, tell them to stand in front of a train, since the train, movement, and the person standing in front of it don't exist there should be no problem :jawdrop:

Kinda like the psychics who never seem to win the lottery.
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Knots tied on space
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:

Postby SSJ3Gogeta » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:29 pm

Malcolm wrote:Since there is no arising, you do not have any son, because it is impossible that there can be any arising.


:thumbsup:


I wish more "Buddhists" :quoteunquote: understood nonarising.
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:

Postby Malcolm » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:36 pm

Tarpa wrote:
oushi wrote:Great example. I will try it next time :tongue: .

How about developing short and fast answer for sunyata addicts, that will easily extinguish their enthusiasm?


Sure, tell them to stand in front of a train, since the train, movement, and the person standing in front of it don't exist there should be no problem :jawdrop:


Well, that is actually being called "being run over by one's own ignorance"
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:

Postby oushi » Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:07 pm

Don't hate, meditate!
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:

Postby SSJ3Gogeta » Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:17 pm

oushi wrote:Don't hate, meditate!


Meditation is contrived and conceptual

Karmamudra is better

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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:

Postby ReasonAndRhyme » Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:28 pm

Tarpa wrote:Sure, tell them to stand in front of a train, since the train, movement, and the person standing in front of it don't exist there should be no problem :jawdrop:

Kinda like the psychics who never seem to win the lottery.


Or like the philosopher who proved that black is white...

Douglas Adams wrote:"The argument goes something like this: 'I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, 'for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
"'But,' says Man, 'the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'
"'Oh dear,' says God, 'I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"'Oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next pedestrian crossing.
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:

Postby catmoon » Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:40 am

Malcolm wrote:
David N. Snyder wrote:Or the other one is that there is no killing since there is no soul and anyway, we don't exist. There is no person, animal, being to kill. And the animal, human, being will be reborn, so you can't kill him anyway. :rolleye:

Such rubbish could justify a small killing to even a genocide.

Which of course is poetic nonsense as the Buddha clearly mentioned how all beings suffer and feel pain and how we should not cause them pain or death.


Buddha was merely speaking to those who are ignorant of their own non-existence. Once they understand they do not exist, they will cease to feel any pain. Remember, after all, you only feel pain if you are ignorant. Even that ignorance of course is merely a convention, just like Buddha, in which case we can be free of any struggle at all, now that we have discerned that since neither Buddha nor suffering exist we can all relax... :cheers: Prasanga Beer!


You have no argument. There is no one to make an argument, nor is there anyone to argue with. You are disagreeing with conceptual labels that have no existence of their own. Let go of your attachment to labels and be free.

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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:

Postby Virgo » Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:44 am

catmoon wrote:You have no argument. There is no one to make an argument, nor is there anyone to argue with. <sigh>

No, you have no argument. And I have no argument. Wait a minute, did we argue? Did anyone argue? Wait.. let's start over.
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:

Postby catmoon » Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:56 am

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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:

Postby Blue Garuda » Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:39 am

Just post a series of random statements with pretend links:

In the middle of a discussion on rebirth, chuck em in at random:

Anyone like Knitting Patterns?

I read that Buddhism is about Elk Sexing........

How does a beginner learn Yogic Drowning?

PM me on if a lotus lives in muck and I eat it, is it Coprophagia?
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:

Postby Tarpa » Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:50 am

Yay elk sexing ! :pig: elk sexing and ice cream okayyesthankyouplease
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