Evicting an Asura

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Evicting an Asura

Postby Son » Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:46 am

it has become necessary to remove an asura from this place.
Despite the discussions and conversations elsewhere concerning Buddhist insight and practice with devas and asuras etc., I've not been able to progress insofar in this regard. So, I'm starting a discussion here on this whim, sort of.

What are some references or ideas to removing an asura?

We negotiated him to live her room but now he is worsening the household. It didn't bear well. It isn't a dire situation, no one is dire yet but he is very malign and does cause problems with mood, health, and pestilence. Also she is in a vulnerable stage right now spiritually.

This is more along the lines of: How would you remove a bad person from your house, if they were invisible and powerful and didn't want to leave?

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Re: Evicting an Asura

Postby Andrew108 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:19 pm

If your Samantha is strong enough so that you see devas then it's strong enough to deal with bad situations. In fact the point is to take these bad situations to the path. If you can't do that, then practice generosity and make a gift of where you live. Move out in other words.
Practicing rituals is a group thing. If you do it by yourself then you're strengthening your own ego and that's maybe what the Asura feeds off.
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"What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range." Sabba Sutta.

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Re: Evicting an Asura

Postby futerko » Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:31 pm

I would ask him what he wanted. You suggested he was prepared to negotiate, so start some kind of dialogue.
I would also work with my own view - instead of seeing him as "bad" I would try to come to some sort of understanding of his behaviour. If you see him as unwanted, maybe consider your own wants and dislikes. He is there for a reason, once you discover what that is you can take responsibility for the solution.
If you feel he is feeding off something negative then also work to cut off his supply - if something is providing entertainment then by stopping that he will have to look elsewhere.

best wishes.

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Re: Evicting an Asura

Postby Kaji » Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:38 am

Please allow me to share my view.

I do not think starting or fueling a conflict is the way to go. I would suggest the idea of "evicting an asura" to "asking an asura to be nice".

I don't know if the asura has been at your place before you moved in, so as far as he is concerned you might have invaded his home and it is your group of people that should be evited (correct me if I'm wrong here).

There is also the possibility that this asura is a karmic debtor of yours or one of your housemates'. In this case it is in the asura's right to claim from you (or your housemate) and cause trouble.

From what I have learned, the Buddhist and compassionate way to do things is to make peace and be nice to him. The currency of value for all beings in samsara is good karma. Do good deeds, including read sutra and dharani, and redirect the good karma to the asura. Be respectful to him, because in samsara an asura is a higher being than us humans. (You wouldn't like it very much to be evicted from a house by say a group of ghosts or animals, would you?) Ask him nicely that your group wants to be left undisturbed, and coexist.

You'd never know - an asura can be a great Dharma protector - so if things turn out well imagine having him protect you and your group against your real enemies of Buddhist practice.

If you want I can chant dharani and redirect some of the good karma to this asura - do you know his name? Or PM me the address.
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Re: Evicting an Asura

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Namas triya-dhvikānāṃ sarva tathāgatānām!

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Re: Evicting an Asura

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:08 pm

A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: Evicting an Asura

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:10 pm

Son, take a look at this thread: viewtopic.php?f=39&t=232&hilit=shurangama+mantra

I think Remm gives on page 2 of the posts, the Sanskrit for these lines 104 etc of the mantra; but he is only one voice. It comes from the Surangama Sutra. There are other places on the web where I recall seeing Sanskrit versions of the mantra.

Search the web and you will find quite a bit on the sutra & mantra (maybe there is more here at Dharma Wheel).

EDIT: Also, depending on where on this planet you live, contacting one of the Dharma centers that Master Hua founded will give you help. Most of the older disciples know the mantra by heart.

http://www.drba.org/branches/
A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: Evicting an Asura

Postby y1010 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:42 pm

If you are able to not believe it really exist, it will go away. Your belief creates.

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Re: Evicting an Asura

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:15 pm

A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: Evicting an Asura

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A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: Evicting an Asura

Postby Kaji » Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:33 am

Things to note if you want to use the Surangama Mantra:

1. This mantra is excellent for dealing with mara or demons (the most powerful of which is your inner mara). I do not know if this asura is a mara, so I am not sure if the mantra is useful in dealing with him. In the possibility that he is a karmic debtor of one or more in your group of people, as I have previously mentioned, this mantra may not be most suitable in keeping the asura from claiming his debt.

2. If this mantra does work against him, it would drive him away. It does not mean he will not come back. Worse still, you might have brought the level of conflict to a higher level. I still think the compassionate and making-peace method is the right way to go.

3. Use of the Surangama Mantra requires years of practice and dedication to be truly effective. I do not know if it is the best solution right now.

4. Are you a vegetarian that does not eat eggs nor take alcohol (or other intoxicating substances)?

5. It is a very long mantra, so when chanting it it is easy to lose focus when chanting it, easy to mispronounce or misread some words, easy to feel tired.
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