How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:
How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:
Example:
Q: How does karma work?
A1: Karma means intention and what results from intention
A2: There is no karma because karma is just a name...
Conversation sputters and dies and or goes off into long irrelevant screeds about "prasanga" madhyamaka, etc.
Q: How does karma work?
A1: Karma means intention and what results from intention
A2: There is no karma because karma is just a name...
Conversation sputters and dies and or goes off into long irrelevant screeds about "prasanga" madhyamaka, etc.
Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:
Great example. I will try it next time .
How about developing short and fast answer for sunyata addicts, that will easily extinguish their enthusiasm?
How about developing short and fast answer for sunyata addicts, that will easily extinguish their enthusiasm?
Say what you think about me here.
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:
My son's name is Karma....as to how he works, well......
He's a recent graduate. Need I say more?
He's a recent graduate. Need I say more?
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:
In reality you do not have any son. Why, because if you had a son, then your son must have inherently arisen, but since there is no inherent existence your son cannot have arisen. Since there is no arising, you do not have any son, because it is impossible that there can be any arising. And we all know that this is what prasanga says, and even that does not say anything...conebeckham wrote:My son's name is Karma....as to how he works, well......
He's a recent graduate. Need I say more?
Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:
We easely forget the beauty of interaction by shooting our view to eachother. We forget in righteness; dependency - no inherent existence.
Regarding that arisen;
Not to know the equality of appearance emptiness
And get attached to appearances alone is delusion
But to get attached to emptiness alone is delusion too
If you know the equality of appearance emptiness
There's no need to get caught up in or give up phenomena...
Regarding that arisen;
Not to know the equality of appearance emptiness
And get attached to appearances alone is delusion
But to get attached to emptiness alone is delusion too
If you know the equality of appearance emptiness
There's no need to get caught up in or give up phenomena...
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:
Or the other one is that there is no killing since there is no soul and anyway, we don't exist. There is no person, animal, being to kill. And the animal, human, being will be reborn, so you can't kill him anyway.
Such rubbish could justify a small killing to even a genocide.
Which of course is poetic nonsense as the Buddha clearly mentioned how all beings suffer and feel pain and how we should not cause them pain or death.
Such rubbish could justify a small killing to even a genocide.
Which of course is poetic nonsense as the Buddha clearly mentioned how all beings suffer and feel pain and how we should not cause them pain or death.
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:
Excellent, and thanks! I'll let him know....I'm sure it will make his job search that much easier.Malcolm wrote:In reality you do not have any son. Why, because if you had a son, then your son must have inherently arisen, but since there is no inherent existence your son cannot have arisen. Since there is no arising, you do not have any son, because it is impossible that there can be any arising. And we all know that this is what prasanga says, and even that does not say anything...conebeckham wrote:My son's name is Karma....as to how he works, well......
He's a recent graduate. Need I say more?
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:
oh....and as for his "Arising," he'd stand a better chance of working if he could get his arising to happen prior to the noon hour.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:
Buddha was merely speaking to those who are ignorant of their own non-existence. Once they understand they do not exist, they will cease to feel any pain. Remember, after all, you only feel pain if you are ignorant. Even that ignorance of course is merely a convention, just like Buddha, in which case we can be free of any struggle at all, now that we have discerned that since neither Buddha nor suffering exist we can all relax... Prasanga Beer!David N. Snyder wrote:Or the other one is that there is no killing since there is no soul and anyway, we don't exist. There is no person, animal, being to kill. And the animal, human, being will be reborn, so you can't kill him anyway.
Such rubbish could justify a small killing to even a genocide.
Which of course is poetic nonsense as the Buddha clearly mentioned how all beings suffer and feel pain and how we should not cause them pain or death.
Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:
Sure, tell them to stand in front of a train, since the train, movement, and the person standing in front of it don't exist there should be no problemoushi wrote:Great example. I will try it next time .
How about developing short and fast answer for sunyata addicts, that will easily extinguish their enthusiasm?
Kinda like the psychics who never seem to win the lottery.
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The nonexistence of the transcendence of suffering
is what the protector of the world has taught as the transcendence
of suffering.
Knots tied on space
are untied by space itself.
May I never be seperated from perfect masters in all lives,
and delightfully experiencing the magnificent dharma,
completing all qualities of the stages of the paths
may I quickly attain the state of Vajradhara
is what the protector of the world has taught as the transcendence
of suffering.
Knots tied on space
are untied by space itself.
May I never be seperated from perfect masters in all lives,
and delightfully experiencing the magnificent dharma,
completing all qualities of the stages of the paths
may I quickly attain the state of Vajradhara
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:
Malcolm wrote: Since there is no arising, you do not have any son, because it is impossible that there can be any arising.
I wish more "Buddhists" understood nonarising.
Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:
Well, that is actually being called "being run over by one's own ignorance"Tarpa wrote:Sure, tell them to stand in front of a train, since the train, movement, and the person standing in front of it don't exist there should be no problemoushi wrote:Great example. I will try it next time .
How about developing short and fast answer for sunyata addicts, that will easily extinguish their enthusiasm?
Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:
Don't hate, meditate!
Say what you think about me here.
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:
Meditation is contrived and conceptualoushi wrote:Don't hate, meditate!
Karmamudra is better
Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:
Or like the philosopher who proved that black is white...Tarpa wrote:Sure, tell them to stand in front of a train, since the train, movement, and the person standing in front of it don't exist there should be no problem
Kinda like the psychics who never seem to win the lottery.
Douglas Adams wrote:"The argument goes something like this: 'I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, 'for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
"'But,' says Man, 'the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'
"'Oh dear,' says God, 'I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"'Oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next pedestrian crossing.
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:
You have no argument. There is no one to make an argument, nor is there anyone to argue with. You are disagreeing with conceptual labels that have no existence of their own. Let go of your attachment to labels and be free.Malcolm wrote:Buddha was merely speaking to those who are ignorant of their own non-existence. Once they understand they do not exist, they will cease to feel any pain. Remember, after all, you only feel pain if you are ignorant. Even that ignorance of course is merely a convention, just like Buddha, in which case we can be free of any struggle at all, now that we have discerned that since neither Buddha nor suffering exist we can all relax... Prasanga Beer!David N. Snyder wrote:Or the other one is that there is no killing since there is no soul and anyway, we don't exist. There is no person, animal, being to kill. And the animal, human, being will be reborn, so you can't kill him anyway.
Such rubbish could justify a small killing to even a genocide.
Which of course is poetic nonsense as the Buddha clearly mentioned how all beings suffer and feel pain and how we should not cause them pain or death.
<sigh>
Sergeant Schultz knew everything there was to know.
Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:
No, you have no argument. And I have no argument. Wait a minute, did we argue? Did anyone argue? Wait.. let's start over.catmoon wrote:You have no argument. There is no one to make an argument, nor is there anyone to argue with. <sigh>
Kevin
Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:
Sergeant Schultz knew everything there was to know.
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:
Just post a series of random statements with pretend links:
In the middle of a discussion on rebirth, chuck em in at random:
Anyone like Knitting Patterns?
I read that Buddhism is about Elk Sexing........
How does a beginner learn Yogic Drowning?
PM me on if a lotus lives in muck and I eat it, is it Coprophagia?
In the middle of a discussion on rebirth, chuck em in at random:
Anyone like Knitting Patterns?
I read that Buddhism is about Elk Sexing........
How does a beginner learn Yogic Drowning?
PM me on if a lotus lives in muck and I eat it, is it Coprophagia?
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Re: How to disrupt any Buddhist conversation:
Yay elk sexing ! elk sexing and ice cream okayyesthankyouplease
The nonexistence of the transcendence of suffering
is what the protector of the world has taught as the transcendence
of suffering.
Knots tied on space
are untied by space itself.
May I never be seperated from perfect masters in all lives,
and delightfully experiencing the magnificent dharma,
completing all qualities of the stages of the paths
may I quickly attain the state of Vajradhara
is what the protector of the world has taught as the transcendence
of suffering.
Knots tied on space
are untied by space itself.
May I never be seperated from perfect masters in all lives,
and delightfully experiencing the magnificent dharma,
completing all qualities of the stages of the paths
may I quickly attain the state of Vajradhara