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the great vegetarian debate

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

Postby PeterB » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:14 pm

Everyone had their say ?

Please feel free. Dont hold back.

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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

Postby Ben » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:35 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

Postby Ben » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:49 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

Postby Dan74 » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:53 pm

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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

Postby PeterB » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:59 pm

I agree entirely Ben.

And I was making a point above...in response to Beeblebrox's post about not making excuses...in fact I have not eaten meat for more than twenty years. But thats my choice. What others eat is not my business, frankly as far as i am concerned poking one nose in others peoples life styles is a real breach of Right Speech, I will defend the right for anyone to eat what they choose. I assume that if they have a Buddhist practice they will make an informed choice.
A choice which may differ from mine, and from those whose attraction to a Buddhist forum is about a mistaken notion that a majority of members will be vegetarian.
Well if I recall correctly a poll on this forum towards the latter part of 2010 indicated that the majority were not.
If people want to extol the benefits of eshewing meat...fine.
But lets keep our bloody noses out of other peoples lunch boxes and credit them with enough sense and gumption to decide for themselves.

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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

Postby Dan74 » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:04 am

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Postby Dan74 » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:16 am

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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

Postby PeterB » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:20 am

So you young people are going to alter the nature of dukkha ? Good luck with that.
There is no solution.
Bloke in audience " Should i study Pali ? " Ajahn Sumedho " Why not just get enlightened"
Another bloke in audience " Should i go vegetarian" ? Ajahn Sumedho " same answer, why not just get enlightened."
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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

Postby PeterB » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:29 am

I lie a lot. Often because I wouldnt know the truth if it fell on my head. Because I see the world through a lens distorted by my ego. Even when I judge others its to raise a smokescreen.

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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

Postby beeblebrox » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:35 am

If you know this, why don't you try to find a way out?

:anjali:

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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

Postby PeterB » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:39 am

Knowing this is the path to finding a way out.

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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:41 am

Greetings Dan,

That's fine, just be mindful it doesn't verge on proselytizing.

From a Theravada perspective, the facts are:

- The Buddha did not refuse meat offerings to himself or the Sangha (it would appear the Buddha ate meat but the suttas are hardly a dietary log)
- The Buddha spoke out about the killing of sentient beings, not the eating of meat
- The Buddha did not advocate vegetarianism and spoke out against Devadatta when he wanted to impose it upon the Sangha

It's all very well to speculate on what the Buddha would do in this day and age, with environmental concerns and global economies such as they are, but they are simply that... speculations. The above however, demonstrates that the meat/vegetarian debate is not central to the critical problem of dukkha, as it was defined by the Buddha in the suttas.

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

Postby Dan74 » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:43 am

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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

Postby PeterB » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:46 am

Which is what (in what feels like many years ago ) in my clumsy way I was trying to say in the OP Retro.
Clearly my failure to communicate my meaning was total.

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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

Postby PeterB » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:48 am

I often dont stay with it Dan...But every day is a new day.


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