Hello Teachers /Friends,
As I understand, Ajahn Maha Boowa indicates that the kilesas have been destroyed and are never seen again in an Arahant, whereas Luangphor Chah seems to say that the enlightened one still has the kilesas but does not buy into them anymore [the kilesas and the (enlightened) mind coexist but the (enlightened) mind is not affected by the kilesas].
Now let’s look at the Buddha’s teaching:
A monk who is a Worthy One, devoid of mental defilements
— who has attained completion, finished the task, laid down the burden, attained the true goal, destroyed the fetters of becoming, and is released through right [true] knowledge
— directly knows earth as earth. Directly knowing earth as earth, he does not conceive earth, does not conceive in earth, does not conceive apart from earth, does not conceive earth as 'mine,' does not delight in earth. Why is that? Because he has comprehended it, I tell you.
He directly knows water as water... the All as the All...
He directly knows unbinding as Unbinding. Directly knowing Unbinding as Unbinding, he does not conceive Unbinding, does not conceive in Unbinding, does not conceive apart from Unbinding, does not conceive Unbinding as 'mine,' does not delight in Unbinding. Why is that? Because, with the ending of delusion, he is devoid of delusion
, I tell you.
-- MN 1
As I understand from the Buddha’s teaching, an arahant should not have delights (emotional feelings) and cravings, which are caused by delusion
[of “self”]. The presence of delights and cravings appears to be the indication of not-yet ended delusion, and a mind with the presence of such delusion seems to be not yet totally freed from all incoming defilements?Then is the practice of stopping proliferations/fabrications at Craving [instead of stopping at Contact, the sense door] the right way to nibbana?
“You have to train your mind to be quicker than your desire. When you want something, you should say “No, it is not good for me.” If you could do this, it means you have insight. … You have to contemplate on the three characteristics all the time. … until it becomes second nature. Then you don’t have to contemplate any more because when you want something
you will say “I shouldn’t have it. It’s not good for me.” You have become enlightened.
You no longer want anything. You can live alone and be happy. All you need are the four requisites of food, clothing, shelter and medicine,to take care of your body. You don’t need other things because you have something better inside yourself: calmness, peace of mind, which arises from insight, by letting go of your detachment. If you are truly detached, you will feel liberated, no longer affected by what happens. You are not emotionally involved. You know what’s going on. Know that’s the way it is.” ["Path to Enlightenment” by Ajahn Suchart available at http://www.waht-buddha-taught.net
Is such stopping at cravings and subsequent emotional peacefulness the ultimate enlightenment?
Metta to all,