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Develop the mind to deliver incoming defilements

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Develop the mind to deliver incoming defilements

Postby starter » Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:18 pm

Hm... I hesitate to post this thread but considering the limitless satient beings in our minds to be delivered, I still would like to share this thought with our friends, and hope you won't feel weird.

I remember a while ago reading the teachings of Ajahn Lee and Ajahn Thanissaro about the various beings in our mind having kind of panel meetings (if I remember correctly), which I didn't quite comprehend. Today I read the following teaching of Master Huineng:

"We vow to deliver the limitless sentient beings of our mind. ...

And who are these sentient beings within our mind? They are the delusive mind, the deceitful mind, the jealous mind, the evil mind, and such like minds [there are also good minds] -- all these are sentient beings...

Now, what does it mean to deliver oneself by one's own pure mind? It means the deliverance of the ignorant, the delusive, and the vexatious beings within our own mind by means of Right Views. With the aid of Right Views and Wisdom the barriers raised by these ignorant and delusive beings may be broken down; so that each of them is in a position to deliver himself by his own efforts. Let the fallacious be delivered by rightness; the deluded by enlightenment; the ignorant by wisdom; and the malevolent by benevolence. Such is genuine deliverance."

-- http://www.sinc.sunysb.edu/Clubs/buddhi ... neng6.html

Before reading this teaching, I was thinking of only removing/eradicating the incoming defilements of our mind. But now I realized that the process of developing the mind is actually the process of delivering/freeing the incoming defilements – the satient beings coming into our mind, so Master Huineng's teaching doesn't contradict the Buddha's teaching on this point at all. It's also worth paying attention that Master Huineng actually changed the Mahayana Boddhisata practice of saving every being in Samsara into developing our own mind instead.

Metta,

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Re: The incoming defilements are satient beings to be saved?

Postby Ben » Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:24 pm

I think, starter, those teachers were using the literary device of metaphor.
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: The incoming defilements are satient beings to be saved?

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Re: The incoming defilements are satient beings to be saved?

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Re: The incoming defilements are satient beings to be saved?

Postby Ben » Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:48 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: The incoming defilements are satient beings to be saved?

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Re: The incoming defilements are satient beings to be saved?

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Re: The incoming defilements are satient beings to be saved?

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:12 am

In all honesty, starter, I think you would find a better fit here: http://www.dharmawheel.net/


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