DarwidHalim wrote:There is no substance in this universe, not even fire, water, earth, space, wind, and consciousness.
It can only form if you have an idea about this universe.
But, if you can drop off of this idea of universe, you won't see any of them.
If you can drop off the idea of water when you are standing in front of waterfall, there is no water there.
If you say that is water element, that is only you who say so.
If your friend say that is also water element, that is also only your friend who say so.
Hungry ghost doesn't see water element, they see blood.
Fish doesn't see water element, they see house.
God doesn't see water element, they see nectar.
To negate consciousness itself will only lead to nihilism. Whatever one experiences irrespective of conceptual content is not outside of the subject and object of perception, this mechanism of subject and object of perception is the mechanism of consciousness.
As for blood and nectar, their form of manifestation is of water, thus they belong to the water element. The reason hungry ghost see water blood and gods see water as nectar is due to the principle of collective karma and their result, where beings with their storehouse consciousness being perfumed with similar seeds will be born in similar realm, sharing similar vision.
If you can drop off all those idea in front of waterfall, you won't see any water there, any substance there.
These 5 elements and consciousness are just trap of ignorance.
You will still hear the sound of waterfall, and if your body touches the water, it will feel cold and the contact sensation of the water molecules. These sensory perceptions are not make up of idea, since without actively thinking about the idea, one also will not be able to avoid these sensory perceptions.
Ignorance here specially means one has no idea how to classify phenomena that appear in the form of water element or consciousness element. Or is confusing idea as similar to perceptions.