Are you able to look through traditions?

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Are you able to look through traditions?

Postby muni » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:04 am

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Example. "The Buddha did not say to dance like that".

Careful with own limited interpretations; conditioned by preferences, I think.

The path and all its' colorful expressions.


Are you able to look through traditions, through cultures?
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Re: Are you able to look through traditions?

Postby Anders » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:26 am

I think it's worthwhile to try, but equally dangerous think it is truly possible.
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Re: Are you able to look through traditions?

Postby muni » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:46 am

Anders Honore wrote:I think it's worthwhile to try, but equally dangerous think it is truly possible.


The danger to get completely lost in own created network of interpretations? Yes, careful!
To see own mind's creations is crushing the danger.
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Re: Are you able to look through traditions?

Postby BFS » Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:26 pm

The danger to get completely lost in own created network of interpretations? Yes, careful!
To see own mind's creations is crushing the danger.


Hard to see in oneself sometimes, so yes, important to be careful, to check up. Spiritual Materialism in it's subtlest form happens when Dharma is twisted and used to reinforce our own interpretations and views.
One of my teachers said to be careful because we have a cultural heritage of good and bad without any gray inbetween. I guess that heritage of wanting things to be perfect in an absolute way can cause us to become more closed minded.
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Re: Are you able to look through traditions?

Postby mudra » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:31 am

It's kind of like learning to drive. At first it's better to stick to one type of car until one masters the basics, and is able to handle oneself in various situations. Once one really has got a good sense etc, then it is not confusing to step into another model.

In the meantime while you are driving along learning, looking over at someone else going in the same direction in another car you would be silly not to recognize that they are headed the same way, just in a different kind of vehicle!
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Re: Are you able to look through traditions?

Postby mindyourmind » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:19 am

I just love experiencing other traditions, in whatever format. When I started out it caused a fair amount of tension at times, but now I just like to learn, to take in more information. And that can happen from taking in the good and the bad.
As bad as bad becomes its not a part of you

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Re: Are you able to look through traditions?

Postby muni » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:35 am

Thank you for the inspiring answers.
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Re: Are you able to look through traditions?

Postby conebeckham » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:35 pm

The Dharma is not a cultural phenomenon, nor a set of conditioned circumstances, or even concepts in one's own mind.

Neither is it different from those.
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Re: Are you able to look through traditions?

Postby muni » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:50 pm

conebeckham wrote:The Dharma is not a cultural phenomenon, nor a set of conditioned circumstances, or even concepts in one's own mind.

Neither is it different from those.


We cannot say their is no cultural background in expression of the teachings, the "paths". The problem is that we often don't take the effort to inform about what is the meaning of another expression.

Of course non fabricated Dharma.
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Re: Are you able to look through traditions?

Postby Astus » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:15 pm

I think in the following way: the Buddha's teaching can be categorised in three parts: ethics, meditation, insight. Things like dances, rituals, songs, ornaments, etc. fall under the category of ethics. Some of them can be considered bad behaviour and some good behaviour, partially dependent upon precepts and mostly on social norms. This way there is virtually no need to think in terms of culture but rather the Dharma.
"There is no such thing as the real mind. Ridding yourself of delusion: that's the real mind."
(Sheng-yen: Getting the Buddha Mind, p 73)

“Don’t rashly seek the true Buddha;
True Buddha can’t be found.
Does marvelous nature and spirit
Need tempering or refinement?
Mind is this mind carefree;
This face, the face at birth."

(Nanyue Mingzan: Enjoying the Way, tr. Jeff Shore; T51n2076, p461b24-26)
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