There are experiences in the Dzoghen path that are shared. There are experiences in the Dzogchen path that are unique to that path. Rainbow body comes from the latter experiences, and not the former.Jeff wrote: No offense taken. I think you will find the terms/experiences that I am describing are part of many paths.
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That may well be true. Those are the differences that I have looking for.Malcolm wrote:There are experiences in the Dzoghen path that are shared. There are experiences in the Dzogchen path that are unique to that path. Rainbow body comes from the latter experiences, and not the former.Jeff wrote: No offense taken. I think you will find the terms/experiences that I am describing are part of many paths.
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Well, then, you need to find a Dzogchen master in whom you have faith, recieve transmission and do whatever he or she says.Jeff wrote:That may well be true. Those are the differences that I have looking for.Malcolm wrote:There are experiences in the Dzoghen path that are shared. There are experiences in the Dzogchen path that are unique to that path. Rainbow body comes from the latter experiences, and not the former.Jeff wrote: No offense taken. I think you will find the terms/experiences that I am describing are part of many paths.
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Sounds like a plan.Malcolm wrote:Well, then, you need to find a Dzogchen master in whom you have faith, recieve transmission and do whatever he or she says.Jeff wrote:That may well be true. Those are the differences that I have looking for.Malcolm wrote: There are experiences in the Dzoghen path that are shared. There are experiences in the Dzogchen path that are unique to that path. Rainbow body comes from the latter experiences, and not the former.
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"Awareness back to the "heart". Oh!Jeff wrote:[ As you said above, all of the streams (of consciousness/awareness) come back to the heart.
Then this i leave here : "...have devotion to enlightened beings and compassion for unenlightened beings. Devotion and compassion are a universal panacea, the single sufficient technique. A famous quote says, 'In the moment of love, the nature of emptiness dawns nakedly'. In addition, there are practices called the development and completion stages. All these practices facilitate nondistraction".
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27626668/Ulti ... n-Rinpoche" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Furthermore Malcolm mentioned a master. Yes.
All the best!
“We are each living in our own soap opera. We do not see things as they really are. We see only our interpretations. This is because our minds are always so busy...But when the mind calms down, it becomes clear. This mental clarity enables us to see things as they really are, instead of projecting our commentary on everything.” Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bg9jOYnEUA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bg9jOYnEUA
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One may also say ... all of the streams spread out from the heart.muni wrote:"Awareness back to the "heart". Oh!Jeff wrote:[ As you said above, all of the streams (of consciousness/awareness) come back to the heart.
Sönam
By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -
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Love is the nature of emptiness.muni wrote:"Awareness back to the "heart". Oh!Jeff wrote:[ As you said above, all of the streams (of consciousness/awareness) come back to the heart.
Then this i leave here : "...have devotion to enlightened beings and compassion for unenlightened beings. Devotion and compassion are a universal panacea, the single sufficient technique. A famous quote says, 'In the moment of love, the nature of emptiness dawns nakedly'. In addition, there are practices called the development and completion stages. All these practices facilitate nondistraction".
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27626668/Ulti ... n-Rinpoche" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Furthermore Malcolm mentioned a master. Yes.
All the best!
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Very true.Sönam wrote:One may also say ... all of the streams spread out from the heart.muni wrote:"Awareness back to the "heart". Oh!Jeff wrote:[ As you said above, all of the streams (of consciousness/awareness) come back to the heart.
Sönam
In the end... There is no in and out... Only heart as what is...
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“We are each living in our own soap opera. We do not see things as they really are. We see only our interpretations. This is because our minds are always so busy...But when the mind calms down, it becomes clear. This mental clarity enables us to see things as they really are, instead of projecting our commentary on everything.” Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bg9jOYnEUA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bg9jOYnEUA
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Beautiful words...muni wrote: The waxing bodhichitta moon
that causes to swell the joyful ocean
of altruistic intentions and so on
puts even the cooling nighttime moon to shame.
This bodhichitta that serves as a sword
to cut the shoots of the afflictions
is the weapon for the protection
of all wandering beings.
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Or, one could say... Always seems to be more obstructions/issues to clear.
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"Men must want to do things out of their own innermost drives. People, not commercial organizations or chains of command, are what make great civilizations work. Every civilization depends upon the quality of the individuals it produces. If you over-organize humans, over-legalize them, suppress their urge to greatness - they cannot work and their civilization collapses."
- A letter to CHOAM, attributed to the Preacher
- A letter to CHOAM, attributed to the Preacher
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Phenomenon, vast as space, dharmata is your base, arising and falling like ocean tide cycles, why do i cling to your illusion of unceasing changlessness?
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From a post by muni...SSJ3Gogeta wrote:Jeff wrote: Could you describe how it would be different? Does not a senior student feel light/divine love in the presence of someone who has attained Rigpa? (Divine love "feels" more like a combination of "peace" and "joy" than what we normally describe as romantic love.)
Divine love?
Dzogchen is nothing like this. Its not like New Age love and light B.S.
Tibetan teacher Tsoknyi Rinpoche describes the layers of self that cover over our "essence love," and the way that mindfulness reconnects us to our true nature.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmEce-DxTYc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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But he is not really talking about Dzogchen. What he is describing is from a common Mahāyan̄a point of view.Jeff wrote:From a post by muni...SSJ3Gogeta wrote:Jeff wrote: Could you describe how it would be different? Does not a senior student feel light/divine love in the presence of someone who has attained Rigpa? (Divine love "feels" more like a combination of "peace" and "joy" than what we normally describe as romantic love.)
Divine love?
Dzogchen is nothing like this. Its not like New Age love and light B.S.
Tibetan teacher Tsoknyi Rinpoche describes the layers of self that cover over our "essence love," and the way that mindfulness reconnects us to our true nature.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmEce-DxTYc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Dzogchen approach to developing compassion is not to cultivate compassion through mindfulness and so on, observing how one feels, etc. The Dzogchen approach is based on discovering one's real nature. Once that is discovered, it is impossible not to have compassion for all sentient beings who are ignorant of their real nature -- that is "essencelove".
However, SSJ3 is correct: Dzogchen is not connected with so called New age love and light trips.
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I understood his point in the lecture to be focused on mindfulness. Peace/love/compassion was just an expression of the flavor or "feel" of the experience of mindfulness. As he said... The peaceful feeling of a comfortable easy chair at the end of a day.Malcolm wrote:But he is not really talking about Dzogchen. What he is describing is from a common Mahāyan̄a point of view.Jeff wrote:From a post by muni...SSJ3Gogeta wrote:
Divine love?
Dzogchen is nothing like this. Its not like New Age love and light B.S.
Tibetan teacher Tsoknyi Rinpoche describes the layers of self that cover over our "essence love," and the way that mindfulness reconnects us to our true nature.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmEce-DxTYc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Dzogchen approach to developing compassion is not to cultivate compassion through mindfulness and so on, observing how one feels, etc. The Dzogchen approach is based on discovering one's real nature. Once that is discovered, it is impossible not to have compassion for all sentient beings who are ignorant of their real nature -- that is "essencelove".
However, SSJ3 is correct: Dzogchen is not connected with so called New age love and light trips.
What words would you (or anyone else) use to describe the "feeling" of mindfulness from a Dzogchen perspective?
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Mindfulness is just mindfulness -- it simply means that you know what you are doing when you are doing. For example, when typing a post, you know you are typing a post -- it is not different than any other form of mindfulness. The caveat only is that if you are a Dzogchen practitioner, than part of your mindfulness is informed by your discovery of your real nature.Jeff wrote:
What words would you (or anyone else) use to describe the "feeling" of mindfulness from a Dzogchen perspective?
Otherwise, there is no genuinely special form of mindfulness called "Dzogchen mindfulness".
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I agree that mindfulness is just mindfulness (when residing in mindfulness) and everything just feels "normal".Malcolm wrote:Mindfulness is just mindfulness -- it simply means that you know what you are doing when you are doing. For example, when typing a post, you know you are typing a post -- it is not different than any other form of mindfulness. The caveat only is that if you are a Dzogchen practitioner, than part of your mindfulness is informed by your discovery of your real nature.Jeff wrote:
What words would you (or anyone else) use to describe the "feeling" of mindfulness from a Dzogchen perspective?
Otherwise, there is no genuinely special form of mindfulness called "Dzogchen mindfulness".
But, when for the first time experiencing (slipping into) mindfulness... Was there no "peaceful" feel of that "easy chair"? My experience has been a "growth" in being able to stay mindful (focused on the moment).
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I suppose you could say there is a kind of a flowing experience.Jeff wrote:I agree that mindfulness is just mindfulness (when residing in mindfulness) and everything just feels "normal".Malcolm wrote:Mindfulness is just mindfulness -- it simply means that you know what you are doing when you are doing. For example, when typing a post, you know you are typing a post -- it is not different than any other form of mindfulness. The caveat only is that if you are a Dzogchen practitioner, than part of your mindfulness is informed by your discovery of your real nature.Jeff wrote:
What words would you (or anyone else) use to describe the "feeling" of mindfulness from a Dzogchen perspective?
Otherwise, there is no genuinely special form of mindfulness called "Dzogchen mindfulness".
But, when for the first time experiencing (slipping into) mindfulness... Was there no "peaceful" feel of that "easy chair"? My experience has been a "growth" in being able to stay mindful (focused on the moment).
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Maybe I'm wrong here, or I categorize my experience wrongly, but for me, mindfulness has no special role at all. When I say mindfulness I mean paying attention, being focused. I would even say that it's all about dropping this kind of behavior. When one does it, he is completely aware of reality, but he doesn't know what he is doing, and as such, there is no desire to manipulate and change conditions.
Say what you think about me here.