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Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

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Postby Annapurna » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:26 am

Sorry, renewable technology is NOT in it's infancy!

Perhaps for nations who have difficulties to fulfil the Kyoto protocol, or refuse to, like USA and China, but not for those who can fulfil them!

Green tech is effective and working, it is just NOT YET being installed in some lands, because another one is already running!

You simply don't invest money into another energy in a financial crisis, when you try to avoid bankruptcy and when you hold stocks of nuke plants!

Example:

Germany will phase out of nuclear energy. The exit dates were set under the Green goverment,.

When the conservative government took over, they delayed the exit times, and told us we CAN'T get out now, because we would get energy shortages!

Now, after Japan, and before elections, with 60 % of the People vehemently demanding an exit as son as possible, they put their delay plans on ice for 3 months and suddenly tell us now, that they will turn off at least one nuclear plant in Southern Germany, probably a few more, because now, all of a sudden, they are not safe enough anymore!

Huh??? In a high-tech- land such as Germany???


And SUDDENLY; we will not get an energy crisis through turning it off...!!

Aha....!


Odd?

No, TRANSPARENT, when you study the matter in depth and over years.

Fact is, that the companies which run nuclear plants had top grade stocks, and politicians got hold of a few!

Google greenpeace.

Btw, NOW all the nuclear experts Germany and Greenpeace have are being invited by the news channels to tell us more, and now, everybody listens and is waking up to reality.

Medium radioactive waste will radiate 15 000 years, uranium 200 000 years.

Where is Japan's nuclear waste stored?

What happened to it during the earthquake?

What will happen to ours?

We also get earthquakes, and what, if a plane falls onto a plant, or is being flown ionto it?

What , if a hacker virus messes the electronis up??

If our ancestors had begun with nuclear energy at Buddhas times, we would still be dealing with the waste today and for another 2500 years minimum!

Isn't it insane to even start something like this????

It is crazy!

AS CRAZY AS SAMSARA!

And just as hard to wake up from...
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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby Annapurna » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:52 am

PS:

I won't have as much time as I would like to have to participate here, but besides holding more than one job, I am also engaged in a fund raising project for Japan.

I need to spend more time there than here, where some minds appear to be made up anyways...
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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby Kim OHara » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:00 am

Hi, Chownah,
I'm not 'perturbed by [your] edit' at all.
I think your preferred strategy - no more fission, develop renewables until fusion is ready to go - is perfectly reasonable. I do have less faith in ITER than you seem to, since it could well turn out to be just the latest iteration of that unrealised promise of fusion just around the corner, but so long as we do push for renewables asap, it won't matter if ITER falls down.
BTW, Kim is 'he' not 'she' - my name is ambiguous but my gender isn't. I sing bass, grow a beard, etc. :smile:

:namaste:
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Postby Annapurna » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:22 pm

Interesting. :smile:
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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby Jhana4 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:40 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby Mawkish1983 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:00 pm

I just sincerely hope I am not proven wrong, but it is looking more and more likely :(

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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Postby Annapurna » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:38 pm

Mawkish, I do hope you are right too....
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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby nathan » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:28 pm

Hmmm, pretty quiet thread now. I suppose the pro nuclear folks have all flown to Japan to roast hot dogs over the fire now blazing in reactor #2. Bon appetite.

edit: Scratch that, it's #4 that is on fire now. Have to hurry with roasting the hot dogs though as one will absorb 500 times the yearly allowable radiation in seven minutes.
But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby octathlon » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:00 pm

It's so awful how one thing leads to another which leads to another... Now a fourth reactor that wasn't even in operation is involved, with stored spent fuel burning and releasing radiation. I've seen conflicting reports that the fire was put out but it's on fire again, or else it is a new fire going on now... The workers staying behind at the plant and working to control it may die or suffer severely as a result. :( Thanks to them for their efforts! May they survive and be well!

Back to the thread topic, I saw today. I feel more strongly than the author but I think this agrees with my view pretty well (except for his line towards the end "Perhaps there is no other way").

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby christopher::: » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:32 am

Listening to the news right now it sounds like things are going from bad to worse...

BREAKING NEWS: Japan spokesman: Workers unable to continue at nuclear plant due to radiation risk AP
"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

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And...

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby phil » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:44 am

Speaking as someone living in the midst of a nuclear crisis, I still say any thought of discontinuing nuclear power is a pipe dream that won't stand up to economic reality once this blows over (for the rest of you, it won't blow over for Japan.) No matter what people say, alternative sources of power will not come anywhere close to meeting demand so getting off nuclear power in the short run would lead to global economic collapse. Eventually, gradually, yes, let's continuing moving in the right direction, in that sense it's akin to Dhamma, no belief in sudden breakthroughs to enlightenment for those of us who understand Dhamma.
Kammalakkhano , bhikkhave, bālo, kammalakkhano pandito, apadānasobhanī paññāti
(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)

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