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the great vegetarian debate

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

Postby Dan74 » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:17 am

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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

Postby rowyourboat » Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:45 am

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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

Postby Fede » Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:36 am

*ignorant question*:

Why was 'raw meat' unallowable?

(*arguably intelligent cogitation*
because raw meat in those days harboured germs, bacteria and was 'off' pretty quickly, because Bosch, Indesit and Hoover (to name but 3) were not actively prolific manufacturers of fridges....? thereby, by consequence, being a potentially life-threatening risk?)

Would that be right, or was there some other more 'noble' reason?
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:13 am

Greetings Chownah,

It's true... much of the Vinaya is about perception management and maintaining the high-regard of the Sangha amongst lay supporters.

Metta,
Retro. :)
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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

Postby Fede » Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:39 am

Ok...

(Don't laugh, I'm serious....)

I just like some dishes which either contain, or are based on raw meat....
But obviously this was a recommendation made to monks.

And at the risk of derailing the thread seriously, I know little about Kashyapa Buddha....

I'm not sure I understand....
I tried to look up a reference to this Buddha and found this....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kassapa_Buddha

someone could PM me if you want to - clarifying..... :shrug:
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

Postby Annapurna » Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:57 am

Sushi is raw fish.

Carpaccio and Steak Tatar raw meat from beef.

It has to be very fresh to be safe,- and I won't eat raw meat again-

Never again.
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Re: No One Was Ever Enlightened/Unenlightened By Lunch.

Postby Fede » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:35 am

That's what it always boils down to.

Choices.

Informed, logical, intelligent and carefully thought-out, obviously.
But personal choice just the same.
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: Brutal secret behind the dairy industry

Postby Fede » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:41 am

People bang on about man's inhumanity to man, little realising that our inhumanity towards animals is more critical in the long run....
I really do have to review my own policies..... :embarassed:
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby ground » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:20 am

Can anybody give advice how to replace milk and curd by non-dairy products that have similar qualities?

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby Jhana4 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:28 am

Go to a Whole Foods or a Trader Joe's. Try a big health food store or co-op in your area if you have them. There are several brands of non-dairy substitutes for ice cream, cheese, cream chease, mayo and sour cream.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby Jhana4 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:32 am

A warning for vegetarians.

If you use dairy products, do not use them as a staple in your diet as milk has very little iron. If you use milk products to replace meat you may not get enough iron. Milk products can also have worse saturated fat/cholesterol than some meats. Use it sparingly.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby Jhana4 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:34 am

If anyone is interested in the ethical, environmental and health reasons to go vegan, as well as getting information on how to do it in a healthful way you can read this site, as well as get it as free booklet:

http://www.tryveg.com
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby Jhana4 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:51 am

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby Jhana4 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:05 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

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Re: vegetarian vs veganist

Postby Jhana4 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:44 pm

I am a fan of all kinds of tea. I drink all of my tea plain and I have not had stomach issues. I don't think you need to give up black tea. You could probably be fine just learning to drink less of it.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.


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