Trungpa Rinpoche and the Green woman?

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Trungpa Rinpoche and the Green woman?

Postby martin123 » Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:16 pm

I heard a story in which Trungpa Rinpoche was apparently battling a mysterious green woman that was the result of some black magic against him.Anbody here heard this story before?
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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche and the Green woman?

Postby Berry » Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:00 am

martin123 wrote:I heard a story in which Trungpa Rinpoche was apparently battling a mysterious green woman that was the result of some black magic against him.Anbody here heard this story before?


Hi martin123,

No I haven't - but might it not have been hallucinations from the alcoholism and drug taking ?

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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche and the Green woman?

Postby illusionsgame » Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:15 pm

Hallucinations? You don't know anything about what a mahasiddha is or does. Go sit and try to grow up as a practitioner.

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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche and the Green woman?

Postby martin123 » Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:11 pm

Berry wrote:
martin123 wrote:I
heard a story in which Trungpa Rinpoche was apparently battling a
mysterious green woman that was the result of some black magic against
him.Anbody here heard this story before?


Hi martin123,

No I haven't - but might it not have been hallucinations from the
alcoholism and drug taking ?

namaste

Berry

Hi Berry,well i dont know.thats why im asking do people know about this particular event.
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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche and the Green woman?

Postby Josef » Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:17 pm

martin123 wrote:
Berry wrote:
martin123 wrote:I
heard a story in which Trungpa Rinpoche was apparently battling a
mysterious green woman that was the result of some black magic against
him.Anbody here heard this story before?


Hi martin123,

No I haven't - but might it not have been hallucinations from the
alcoholism and drug taking ?

namaste

Berry

Hi Berry,well i dont know.thats why im asking do people know about this particular event.


I doubt anyone can give you a real answer.
There is so much lore about Trungpa that overshadows who he actually was.
It basically just comes down to opinions of those who think he was a Mahasidda who's actions can't be understood and those who see him as an abusive alcoholic.
It always leads to arguments and attacks like Illusionsgames above.

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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche and the Green woman?

Postby martin123 » Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:03 pm

Hi Josef,Thats fair enough,i guess its down to experience and who spent time with him and even then thats probably not enough.But there are obviously people here that have strong views and i would suggest these were not formed out of thin air.
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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche and the Green woman?

Postby Berry » Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:09 pm

illusionsgame wrote:Hallucinations? You don't know anything about what a mahasiddha is or does. Go sit and try to grow up as a practitioner.


What ? How very rude and unfriendly some of the people in this group are . My question is a reasonable one considering Trungpa's reputation.

This is the second time I've been attacked by a member here, for no reason that I can understand.

Its probably a much better idea for me to stay away from internet Buddhism altogether.
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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche and the Green woman?

Postby kirtu » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:26 pm

Berry wrote:
martin123 wrote:I heard a story in which Trungpa Rinpoche was apparently battling a mysterious green woman that was the result of some black magic against him.Anbody here heard this story before?


Hi martin123,

No I haven't - but might it not have been hallucinations from the alcoholism and drug taking ?


He would have recognized hallucinations as hallucinations. His remarks about drug taking, after some of his students apparently begged him to take a particular drug, was that it was twice samsara - by which I think he meant samsara squared.

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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche and the Green woman?

Postby kirtu » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:30 pm

Josef wrote:I doubt anyone can give you a real answer.
There is so much lore about Trungpa that overshadows who he actually was.
It basically just comes down to opinions of those who think he was a Mahasidda who's actions can't be understood and those who see him as an abusive alcoholic.
It always leads to arguments and attacks like Illusionsgames above.


He was a Mahasiddha who physically died from complications due to alcoholism. Abusive? He was really great.

The question would be why he couldn't have subdued some kind of spiritual attack as implied by the OP.

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche and the Green woman?

Postby martin123 » Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:28 pm

Regarding 'spiritual attacks' or 'blackmagic' whatever one calls it..who would participate in such unwholesome activity?surely not a Dharma practitioner?
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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche and the Green woman?

Postby Josef » Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:28 pm

kirtu wrote:
Josef wrote:I doubt anyone can give you a real answer.
There is so much lore about Trungpa that overshadows who he actually was.
It basically just comes down to opinions of those who think he was a Mahasidda who's actions can't be understood and those who see him as an abusive alcoholic.
It always leads to arguments and attacks like Illusionsgames above.


He was a Mahasiddha who physically died from complications due to alcoholism. Abusive? He was really great.

The question would be why he couldn't have subdued some kind of spiritual attack as implied by the OP.

Kirt

He did plenty that is considered abusive.
It strikes me as odd that it's even a question.

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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche and the Green woman?

Postby martin123 » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:01 pm

Can we please avoid turning this topic into a bash Trungpa tread..i didnt start this tread to give birth to hostility....i am simply interested in the point of my original post.
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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche and the Green woman?

Postby DGA » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:19 pm

Hi Martin,

You may wish to read & search around in the Chronicle Project website: http://www.chronicleproject.com/

or ask someone there. Hope that helps.

:cheers:
DGA's PhD dissertation, a history of "mindfulness," is available here:

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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche and the Green woman?

Postby martin123 » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:37 pm

Hi Jikan I will do that, thank you.
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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche and the Green woman?

Postby illusionsgame » Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:24 pm

Berry wrote:
illusionsgame wrote:Hallucinations? You don't know anything about what a mahasiddha is or does. Go sit and try to grow up as a practitioner.


What ? How very rude and unfriendly some of the people in this group are . My question is a reasonable one considering Trungpa's reputation.

This is the second time I've been attacked by a member here, for no reason that I can understand.

Its probably a much better idea for me to stay away from internet Buddhism altogether.



I knew him personally and received vajrayana transmissions from him. If you have a doubt, go look up comments by His Holiness the 16th Karmapa, His Holiness Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche, Thrangu Rinpoche and every other respected lama who knew him. If you believe it is ok for members to disparage the pure dharma, that is your business. It pains me to see people create karma for which they will suffer. People like that need to be told to go sit. "Oh goodness, how can a HOLY MAN drink and have sex?" Look up Virupa. Educate your self and stop creating future pain for yourself. Don't be a brick wall.

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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche and the Green woman?

Postby Berry » Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:16 pm

illusionsgame wrote:
Berry wrote:
illusionsgame wrote:Hallucinations? You don't know anything about what a mahasiddha is or does. Go sit and try to grow up as a practitioner.


What ? How very rude and unfriendly some of the people in this group are . My question is a reasonable one considering Trungpa's reputation.

This is the second time I've been attacked by a member here, for no reason that I can understand.

Its probably a much better idea for me to stay away from internet Buddhism altogether.



I knew him personally and received vajrayana transmissions from him. If you have a doubt, go look up comments by His Holiness the 16th Karmapa, His Holiness Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche, Thrangu Rinpoche and every other respected lama who knew him. If you believe it is ok for members to disparage the pure dharma, that is your business. It pains me to see people create karma for which they will suffer. People like that need to be told to go sit. "Oh goodness, how can a HOLY MAN drink and have sex?" Look up Virupa. Educate your self and stop creating future pain for yourself. Don't be a brick wall.



it makes no difference if you knew him or not, that doesn't excuse your appalling attitude towards me. It saddens me to read it, with your punishment -karma pronouncement of "future pain" ....but hey, I wish you all the best with that "brick wall" of your very own.
I hope you have a nice day :namaste:
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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche and the Green woman?

Postby Malcolm » Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:15 pm

illusionsgame wrote: People like that need to be told to go sit.


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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche and the Green woman?

Postby Yudron » Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:14 pm

I was surprised to read in the Bodhicharyavatara that Bodhisattvas are supposed to show patience and not respond in anger even when our lama is disparaged. It is quite a difficult practice, though.
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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche and the Green woman?

Postby byamspa » Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:10 pm

Please tell me i'm not the one whose mind flashed to Star Trek: TOS with this question!
Phenomenon, vast as space, dharmata is your base, arising and falling like ocean tide cycles, why do i cling to your illusion of unceasing changlessness?

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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche and the Green woman?

Postby kirtu » Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:25 pm

Yudron wrote:I was surprised to read in the Bodhicharyavatara that Bodhisattvas are supposed to show patience and not respond in anger even when our lama is disparaged. It is quite a difficult practice, though.


Why were you surprised to read that in the Bodhicharyavatara?

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche


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