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Mention of Hindu Gods in Suttas

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Mention of Hindu Gods in Suttas

Postby Parth » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:34 pm

Does anybody find mention of Gods of Hindu panthion in the Suttas i.e. other than Indra (shaka) and Bramha. I mean Krishna / Shiva / Vishnu etc or religious texts other than Vedas ?

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Re: Mention of Hindu Gods in Suttas

Postby adeh » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:20 pm

Pajapati and Yama are mentioned in the Suttas...

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Re: Mention of Hindu Gods in Suttas

Postby adeh » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:42 pm

I believe that Vishnu and Shiva (Rudra) were minor deities in Buddhas life time and they didn't become principal deities until around the 1st or 2nd century C.E. when works such as the Mahabharata, the Ramayana and the Bhagavad Gita first appeared, even though Hindus claim these works are much older.

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Re: Mention of Hindu Gods in Suttas

Postby adeh » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:01 pm

I just found something interesting in the Digha Nikaya in the Mahasamaya Sutta (Sutta 20)...it mentions Vishnu, which it appears is Venhu in Pali, and it mentions Varuna but as a plural ''the Varunas''...it also mentions Garuda but also as a plural ''fierce garuda birds''.....
From Wikipedia:
Many of the other gods in the Pali Canon find a common mythological role in Hindu literature. Some common gods and goddesses are Indra, Aapo (Varuna), Vayo (Vayu), Tejo (Agni), Surya, Pajapati (Prajapati), Soma, Yasa, Venhu (Visnu), Mahadeva (Siva), Vijja (Saraswati), Usha, Pathavi (Prithvi) Sri (Lakshmi) Kuvera (Kubera), several yakkhas (Yakshas), gandhabbas (Gandharvas), Nāgas, garula (Garuda), sons of Bali, Veroca, etc.

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Re: Mention of Hindu Gods in Suttas

Postby Parth » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:05 am

The point I intend verifing is that can Suttas be used a proof that texts like Mahabharata / Geeta / Ramayana were actually written post Buddha's passing. The Mahabharata for one is mythically dated 5000 years from today ie about 2,500 years before Buddha, given this, Geeta should have formed part of main thought at that time but from whatever limited reading I have made of Suttas while people do mention / Buddha in his responses mentions the ancient sages and while yagnas are offered to various Gods of that time in the society but nowhere does anybody mention Krishna / Geeta which is surprising given that Geeta delves into similar things as Buddha's teachings.

This leads to another speculation which is whether Mahabharata (incl Geeta )/ Ramayana were written as part of strategy for revival of Bramhanical society after the damage it had suffered due to Buddha's teachings or it could also be due to the vaccum created by decline of Dhamma in the land of its origin, India.

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Re: Mention of Hindu Gods in Suttas

Postby Ben » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:12 am

Greetings Parth

On the historicity of the upanishads it might be worthwhile reading some of RF Gombrich's works, particularly 'what the buddha thought'.
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Re: Mention of Hindu Gods in Suttas

Postby adeh » Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:57 pm

The Mahabharata is actually a very old story that predates the Buddha....I watched a documentary series not so long ago that talked about it. It said that the story is based on events that happened around about 8-900 BCE..the documentary was Micheal Woods The Story of India..part 3 I think...

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Re: Mention of Hindu Gods in Suttas

Postby Parth » Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:16 pm

Then given that Geeta is a part of Mahabharata and delves into similar aspects of conquering desires etc., moksha (freedom from rebirth) etc. why does nobody mention / debate those concepts with Buddha.

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Re: Mention of Hindu Gods in Suttas

Postby manjughosamani » Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:29 pm

Sabbe saṅkhārā anicca'ti yadā paññāya passati
Atha nibbindati dukkhe esa maggo visuddhiyā.

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Re: Mention of Hindu Gods in Suttas

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Re: Mention of Hindu Gods in Suttas

Postby manjughosamani » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:46 pm

Sabbe saṅkhārā anicca'ti yadā paññāya passati
Atha nibbindati dukkhe esa maggo visuddhiyā.

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