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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby T. Chokyi » Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:53 pm

It may not have been complete but is this not a sign of it?



See page 67 of the Dream Yoga and Practice of Natural Light for more info.
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby alpha » Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:24 pm

Pero wrote:Nope.


As you probably know he is the son of Chanchub Dorje and was wondering if he followed in his fathers steps -as in teaching ...etc-and also if he is still alive or not.
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby Sherlock » Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:34 pm

OK, from the khandro.net link

After a year she left for Kawa Karpo, a mountain in Southern Tibet which had been indicated by Trulzhi Rinpoche as the place she should go to. I later heard that she lived there for many years and had many students. Then in the Year of the Iron Boar, 1911, she took the body of light at the age of seventy-four.

by ChNN himself.
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby Pero » Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:50 pm

alpha wrote:
Pero wrote:Nope.


As you probably know he is the son of Chanchub Dorje and was wondering if he followed in his fathers steps -as in teaching ...etc-and also if he is still alive or not.

Yeah I know, but I have no idea what happened to him. But actually I think he was already teaching back when Norbu Rinpoche was there because Rinpoche received CCD's termas mostly from him and not CCD himself (because according to Rinpoche it was very difficult for CCD to transmit them since he was so uneducated).

Sherlock wrote:OK, from the khandro.net link

After a year she left for Kawa Karpo, a mountain in Southern Tibet which had been indicated by Trulzhi Rinpoche as the place she should go to. I later heard that she lived there for many years and had many students. Then in the Year of the Iron Boar, 1911, she took the body of light at the age of seventy-four.

by ChNN himself.

You didn't read well enough, this is Ayu Khandro talking about her friend, Pema Yangkyi.
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby RikudouSennin » Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:04 pm

i realized most of my questions have been answered thus far, the base and rigpa still confusing but sooner or later ill get it
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby Sherlock » Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:11 pm

I used Find to look up all instances of "body". :emb:
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby SSJ3Gogeta » Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:24 pm

RikudouSennin wrote:i realized most of my questions have been answered thus far, the base and rigpa still confusing but sooner or later ill get it
:thanks: dharma wheel
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The basis will remain confusing, since you need the secret instructions on lhun grub to really understand.

In Dzogchen, rigpa means knowledge of one's nature. As opposed to ignorance (marigpa).
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby RikudouSennin » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:19 pm

SSJ3Gogeta wrote:
RikudouSennin wrote:i realized most of my questions have been answered thus far, the base and rigpa still confusing but sooner or later ill get it
:thanks: dharma wheel
:namaste:


The basis will remain confusing, since you need the secret instructions on lhun grub to really understand.

In Dzogchen, rigpa means knowledge of one's nature. As opposed to ignorance (marigpa).


so rigpa=knowledge of true nature
true nature= awareness

so if you have knowledge of awarness isnt that still dualistic vision?
please help correc my ignorance
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby SSJ3Gogeta » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:30 pm

At the trekcho level, rigpa is knowledge of the instant of unfabricated freshness and the nature of mind (mirror-like clarity which conversely cannot be found).

At the lhun grub practice level, one can eliminate all delusion in regard to one's nature, the basis (gzhi).

Don't succumb to translations that use awareness.
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby RikudouSennin » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:55 pm

SSJ3Gogeta wrote:At the trekcho level, rigpa is knowledge of the instant of unfabricated freshness and the nature of mind (mirror-like clarity which conversely cannot be found).

At the lhun grub practice level, one can eliminate all delusion in regard to one's nature, the basis (gzhi).

Don't succumb to translations that use awareness.


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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby RikudouSennin » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:21 am

need help clarifying with the term infinite potentiality and the symbol of thr mirror.

thanks
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby SSJ3Gogeta » Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:14 pm

RikudouSennin wrote:need help clarifying with the term infinite potentiality and the symbol of thr mirror.

thanks



I don't know where infinite potentiality is from.

But the mirror refers to what I said above regarding "clarity".
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby Malcolm » Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:18 pm

RikudouSennin wrote:need help clarifying with the term infinite potentiality and the symbol of thr mirror.

thanks



The term "infinite potentiality" refers to the primordial state's capacity to allow any form at all to appear within it.

The mirror means your primordial state.
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby RikudouSennin » Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:25 am

sorry i keep asking these repetitive questions.
just tryna get a good understanding.
thanks for the clarification.

peace
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby Malcolm » Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:28 am

RikudouSennin wrote:sorry i keep asking these repetitive questions.
just tryna get a good understanding.
thanks for the clarification.

peace



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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby RikudouSennin » Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:42 am

Malcolm wrote:
RikudouSennin wrote:sorry i keep asking these repetitive questions.
just tryna get a good understanding.
thanks for the clarification.

peace



No worries.


well in that case im curious as to the meaning thoughts arise from emptiness?

Lately it has appeared to me that the objective world is a projection of mind or thoughts,like this laptop began as a tought in a persons mind etc but now here it is manifest before my eyes.
i think im on the right track here,im not trying to cram it all in at once just get familiar with the nature of reality etc from a dzogchen pov
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby SSJ3Gogeta » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:16 am

RikudouSennin wrote:Lately it has appeared to me that the objective world is a projection of mind or thoughts,like this laptop began as a tought in a persons mind etc but now here it is manifest before my eyes.
i think im on the right track here,im not trying to cram it all in at once just get familiar with the nature of reality etc from a dzogchen pov
:namaste:


This is not right at all. Thoughts are insubstantial and are just movements of wind (vayu).

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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby humanpreta » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:40 am

humanpreta wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
RikudouSennin wrote:So whats the chance of becoming fully awakened in this lifetime after being introduced o your real nature?



If you are a diligent person, have received introduction and applied the teachings of Dzogchen to your life in a concrete way, you will never need to fear of returning to samsara's three realms ever again. Even if you do not acheive full awakening in this life you will either acheive full awakening in the bardo, or in a nirmanakāya buddhafield.


So everyone who receives direct introduction, if not fully awakened during their life, achieves full awakening in the bardo or goes straight to a buddhafield and is awakened? Is this in a text?

Is the nirmanakaya buddhafield in one of samsara's realm? i.e.: formless.

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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby Malcolm » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:19 am

humanpreta wrote:
Is the nirmanakaya buddhafield in one of samsara's realm? i.e.: formless.



No, it is not a formless realm and no it is not part of samsara.

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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby asunthatneversets » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:43 am

RikudouSennin wrote:well in that case im curious as to the meaning thoughts arise from emptiness?

Lately it has appeared to me that the objective world is a projection of mind or thoughts,like this laptop began as a tought in a persons mind etc but now here it is manifest before my eyes.
i think im on the right track here,im not trying to cram it all in at once just get familiar with the nature of reality etc from a dzogchen pov
:namaste:


The fact that it's believed to be an objective 'thing' existing separate from you, is indeed a product of conceptualization. So imputation of thought does play a role on that level (a rather large role), but not in the sense you proposed though. It's much more immediate than the process you posited. Conditioning and habitual tendencies are what maintain it.
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