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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby RikudouSennin » Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:56 pm

Andrew108 wrote:After the teachings you can meet CHNN face to face. It might be nice to tell him who you are and that you are interested in Dzogchen.


most def!
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby Andrew108 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:14 pm

It would be good to contact your nearest gar. Then you need the practice text for the wwt. If you want to get the wwt from the webcast I think you need to be a member of the community? At least I was.
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby RikudouSennin » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:21 pm

im glad to see there is a local center in Atlanta.
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby Pero » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:25 pm

Andrew108 wrote:It would be good to contact your nearest gar. Then you need the practice text for the wwt. If you want to get the wwt from the webcast I think you need to be a member of the community? At least I was.
I would echo everyone's statements here about being fortunate. Good stuff.

You don't have to be a member to attend this, but you do need to learn what to do during it.
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby RikudouSennin » Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:37 am

Okay after reading an otline of the dzogchen path by Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Dzogchen, more questions arose in my mind.Im sure they will be answered in the Crystal WOL book but until it arrives my curiosity is greedy...

So in a simple version(only version i comprehend)this is what i understand:
1)the practice of dzogchen is to realise the already existing buddha nature.
2)our awareness is entagled/obscured by mental activity.
3)Trekcho and Togal untagle these things blocking the buddha nature.
4)full awakening

okay i know there is alot inbetween but im still trying to learn the basic terminology such as semde,longde,mengakde,rigpa,etc. :reading:

so please in a simple way how does it work, i know its a lot simpler than my mind is making it out to be but with such little knowledge of the terminolgy things get complicated.
i guess what im trying to figure out is how the proces works how to get from one point to the next or recognize point A is point A without the obscurations.
this is most important question in my mind right now;also where to get good definitions of the main terminology i need to learn.

get my drift??
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby SSJ3Gogeta » Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:10 am

Bare minimum you need to know:

the basis (gzhi):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pure_Lights#Concept

Essential practices:

direct introduction
rushan
trekcho
Song of the Vajra
Chulen of Space
lhungrub visions
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby RikudouSennin » Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:52 am

:good: :namaste:
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby RikudouSennin » Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:41 am

[/quote]


You just need to connect with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu and not look back. He is the only teacher alive today that I know of who had two masters achieve rainbow body in this life.[/quote]

I know one is Changchub Dorje Rinpoche, who is the other?
thx
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby T. Chokyi » Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:41 am

I know one is Changchub Dorje Rinpoche, who is the other?
thx



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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby humanpreta » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:36 am

Malcolm wrote:
RikudouSennin wrote:So whats the chance of becoming fully awakened in this lifetime after being introduced o your real nature?



If you are a diligent person, have received introduction and applied the teachings of Dzogchen to your life in a concrete way, you will never need to fear of returning to samsara's three realms ever again. Even if you do not acheive full awakening in this life you will either acheive full awakening in the bardo, or in a nirmanakāya buddhafield.


So everyone who receives direct introduction, if not fully awakened during their life, achieves full awakening in the bardo or goes straight to a buddhafield and is awakened? Is this in a text?

Is the nirmanakaya buddhafield in one of samsara's realm? i.e.: formless.
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby treehuggingoctopus » Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:40 pm

humanpreta wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
RikudouSennin wrote:So whats the chance of becoming fully awakened in this lifetime after being introduced o your real nature?



If you are a diligent person, have received introduction and applied the teachings of Dzogchen to your life in a concrete way, you will never need to fear of returning to samsara's three realms ever again. Even if you do not acheive full awakening in this life you will either acheive full awakening in the bardo, or in a nirmanakāya buddhafield.


So everyone who receives direct introduction, if not fully awakened during their life, achieves full awakening in the bardo or goes straight to a buddhafield and is awakened?


That's not what Malcolm said.

Malcolm wrote:If you are a diligent person, have received introduction and applied the teachings of Dzogchen to your life in a concrete way, you will never need to fear of returning to samsara's three realms ever again. Even if you do not acheive full awakening in this life you will either acheive full awakening in the bardo, or in a nirmanakāya buddhafield.


There's the rub.
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby Sherlock » Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:31 pm

Changchub Dorje didn't realise rainbow body; besides Uncle Togden, it was Ayu Khandro.
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby Pero » Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:45 pm

Sherlock wrote:Changchub Dorje didn't realise rainbow body; besides Uncle Togden, it was Ayu Khandro.

Actually CCD is supposed to have achieved rainbow body too (and his daughter as well if I remember right, don't remember where I read it). Maybe that makes three hehe.
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby alpha » Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:26 pm

Pero wrote:
Sherlock wrote:Changchub Dorje didn't realise rainbow body; besides Uncle Togden, it was Ayu Khandro.

Actually CCD is supposed to have achieved rainbow body too (and his daughter as well if I remember right, don't remember where I read it). Maybe that makes three hehe.

Do you know anything about Gyurga Rinpoche ?
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby Malcolm » Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:27 pm

RikudouSennin wrote:



You just need to connect with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu and not look back. He is the only teacher alive today that I know of who had two masters achieve rainbow body in this life.[/quote]

I know one is Changchub Dorje Rinpoche, who is the other?
thx[/quote]


His Uncle, Togden Rinpoche.
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby Malcolm » Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:30 pm

Sherlock wrote:Changchub Dorje didn't realise rainbow body; besides Uncle Togden, it was Ayu Khandro.



CCD did realize rainbow body. Ayu Khandro did not realize rainbody body:

"Near the twenty-fifth, without any sign of illness, we found that she had left her body at the time she would normally be finishing her meditation session. She remained in meditation posture for two weeks and when she had finished her tugdam, her body had become very small. We put some ornaments on it and many many people came to witness it.

"In the second month on the tenth day, we cremated her. There were many interesting signs at the time of her death. There was a sudden thaw and everything burst into bloom. It was the middle of winter. There were many ringsel and, as she had instructed, all this and her clothes were put into the stupa that she had prepared at the Sakya monastery."

I, Namkhai Norbu, was given the little statue of Jamyang Khentse Wongpo and a volume of the Simhamukha Gongter and her writings and advice and spiritual songs. Among her disciples there were few rich and important people; her disciples were yogis and yoginis and practitioners from all over Tibet. There are many tales told about her, but I have written only what she herself told me. This is just a little biography of A-Yu Khadro written for her disciples and those who are interested.


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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby Pero » Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:41 pm

alpha wrote:
Pero wrote:
Sherlock wrote:Changchub Dorje didn't realise rainbow body; besides Uncle Togden, it was Ayu Khandro.

Actually CCD is supposed to have achieved rainbow body too (and his daughter as well if I remember right, don't remember where I read it). Maybe that makes three hehe.

Do you know anything about Gyurga Rinpoche ?

Nope.

Malcolm wrote:CCD did realize rainbow body. Ayu Khandro did not realize rainbody body:

[i]"Near the twenty-fifth, without any sign of illness, we found that she had left her body at the time she would normally be finishing her meditation session. She remained in meditation posture for two weeks and when she had finished her tugdam, her body had become very small. We put some ornaments on it and many many people came to witness it.

It may not have been complete but is this not a sign of it?
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby T. Chokyi » Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:42 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sherlock wrote:Changchub Dorje didn't realise rainbow body; besides Uncle Togden, it was Ayu Khandro.



CCD did realize rainbow body. Ayu Khandro did not realize rainbody body:


With all due respect,
YES, she did.
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby Sherlock » Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:47 pm

T. Chokyi wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Sherlock wrote:Changchub Dorje didn't realise rainbow body; besides Uncle Togden, it was Ayu Khandro.



CCD did realize rainbow body. Ayu Khandro did not realize rainbody body:


With all due respect,
YES, she did.


Nope, that's atomic body. I stand corrected. ChNN speaks quite often of the difference between atomic body, rainbow body and great transference.
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Re: masters of the tradition

Postby Pero » Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:53 pm

Sherlock wrote:Nope, that's atomic body. I stand corrected. ChNN speaks quite often of the difference between atomic body, rainbow body and great transference.

No it isn't. Atomic body is when the body dissolves into atoms - it just disappears.
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