Milarepa -- too lazy to practise Dzogchen or no results?

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Milarepa -- too lazy to practise Dzogchen or no results?

Postby Sherlock » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:23 pm

There are two different versions of Milarepa's story about receiving Dzogchen teachings, in one he just slacks off because he hears about how rapid Dzogchen is and in the other he practises diligently without results until his teacher sends him away. Which is the older one?
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Re: Milarepa -- too lazy to practise Dzogchen or no results?

Postby Malcolm » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:23 pm

Sherlock wrote:There are two different versions of Milarepa's story about receiving Dzogchen teachings, in one he just slacks off because he hears about how rapid Dzogchen is and in the other he practises diligently without results until his teacher sends him away. Which is the older one?



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Re: Milarepa -- too lazy to practise Dzogchen or no results?

Postby asunthatneversets » Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:14 pm

Sherlock wrote:There are two different versions of Milarepa's story about receiving Dzogchen teachings, in one he just slacks off because he hears about how rapid Dzogchen is and in the other he practises diligently without results until his teacher sends him away. Which is the older one?


Is there links to both versions online? I have the book "The Life Of Milarepa" not sure which version is in there though I'll have to look...
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Re: Milarepa -- too lazy to practise Dzogchen or no results?

Postby sherabpa » Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:45 pm

Where is the version that he practices diligently? I have not heard that.

Certainly in the famous hagiography of Tsang Nyom Heruka, the most well known 'biography', he does not practice.

Of course, Milarepa was not lazy as such, as we know from his biography. Rather, he interpreted the teaching on nonmeditation in a very literal way:

"Through this meeting I too have become one of those fortunate bodhisattvas who, having heard the teaching, do not even have to meditate on it. Triumphant, and thinking this way, without meditating, I spent the time sleeping."

I remember drawing attention to this story once in this forum, but the thread was deleted for reasons that were not clear to me. That is a shame since it is such a nice story, and very profound, in a way.
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Re: Milarepa -- too lazy to practise Dzogchen or no results?

Postby Sherlock » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:06 am

The story about him practising diligently is from the 3rd Karmapa, you can read it in the article "The Early Education of Milarepa".
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