Mandala Offering in Ngondro

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Mandala Offering in Ngondro

Postby Sopa Yutso » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:19 pm

I've checked WOMPT and Torch of Certainty about this, but am still lost... in the mandala section of the Barchey Kunsel, we make offerings to the "three realms and worlds, the beings and all their splendor..." Can anyone clarify what exactly these three realms and worlds are? They are not the form, formless and desire realms...?
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Re: Mandala Offering in Ngondro

Postby Malcolm » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:20 pm

Sopa Yutso wrote:I've checked WOMPT and Torch of Certainty about this, but am still lost... in the mandala section of the Barchey Kunsel, we make offerings to the "three realms and worlds, the beings and all their splendor..." Can anyone clarify what exactly these three realms and worlds are? They are not the form, formless and desire realms...?


They are. The worlds means all the worlds in the universe.
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Re: Mandala Offering in Ngondro

Postby Sopa Yutso » Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:17 am

I found another translation of the text and think I see my confusion. So what it says is:
"Three realms and worlds, the beings and their splendor,
My body, wealth and all my goodness,
I give to you who have compassion;
Accept them and bestow your blessings."

It seems that I'm saying,"Dear 3 Realms, etc., I offer my body, wealth and goodness to you; please accept them in exchange for your blessings." However, in a different translation, it seems to instead suggest that I'm actually also offering the three realms, other beings along with my body, wealth, etc. to "those who have compassion." If the latter is true, how can I offer something as vast as the universe/all these worlds, which I don't possess?
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Re: Mandala Offering in Ngondro

Postby Virgo » Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:18 am

Sopa Yutso wrote:
It seems that I'm saying,"Dear 3 Realms, etc., I offer my body, wealth and goodness to you; please accept them in exchange for your blessings." However, in a different translation, it seems to instead suggest that I'm actually also offering the three realms, other beings along with my body, wealth, etc. to "those who have compassion." If the latter is true, how can I offer something as vast as the universe/all these worlds, which I don't possess?


Actually you don't really possess anything.

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Re: Mandala Offering in Ngondro

Postby heart » Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:15 am

Sopa Yutso wrote:I found another translation of the text and think I see my confusion. So what it says is:
"Three realms and worlds, the beings and their splendor,
My body, wealth and all my goodness,
I give to you who have compassion;
Accept them and bestow your blessings."

It seems that I'm saying,"Dear 3 Realms, etc., I offer my body, wealth and goodness to you; please accept them in exchange for your blessings." However, in a different translation, it seems to instead suggest that I'm actually also offering the three realms, other beings along with my body, wealth, etc. to "those who have compassion." If the latter is true, how can I offer something as vast as the universe/all these worlds, which I don't possess?


Chokling Tersar is wonderful.

What you are offering is the infinite capacity of experience, a magnificent wealth indeed. It is your "possession" right now because you have your five senses and in particular you have a mind that lack any impediment of imagination. Mandala offering is about developing a vast appreciation of our capacity of experience and offer this magnificence to the Guru. Your a giving up or offering the world in full appreciation of it so to say.

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Re: Mandala Offering in Ngondro

Postby Sopa Yutso » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:36 am

Thank you, now it is all clear... :smile:
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Re: Mandala Offering in Ngondro

Postby Silent Bob » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:02 pm

We were taught that the best offering was one given with Threefold Purity: "no giver, no receiver and no offering". Though this may seem at first to be counter-intuitive, it can lead to an understanding of emptiness as a felt experience, rather than an interesting (or puzzling) concept.

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Re: Mandala Offering in Ngondro

Postby Malcolm » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:27 pm

Sopa Yutso wrote:Thank you, now it is all clear... :smile:



The universe has not yet been put up for sale, so it is still is without an owner.
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