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The Buddha's instruction for Bahiya

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The Buddha's instruction for Bahiya

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Re: The Buddha's instruction for Bahiya

Postby Ben » Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:36 am

I think you need to consider that the message was tailored to Bahiya.
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: The Buddha's instruction for Bahiya

Postby cooran » Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:19 am

Hello TMingyur, Ben, all,

Notes from the Bahiya sutta:
''This is a difficult passage. An explanation of it derived from Comy. would be something like this: ‘’In the seen is merely what is seen’’ without adding one’s own views, opinions, concepts, personal likes and dislikes, etc.: that is, just seeing what is there as it actually is. ‘’You will not be with that,’’ bound by that view, by attraction or repulsion, etc. ‘’You will not be in that’’ situation of being deluded and led astray by views and emotions. ‘’You will be neither here nor beyond nor in between the two’’: neither in this world nor another world. This means the experience of Nibbana or enlightenment, which is a stepping out of the mundane world.''
Note 21, page 196 The Udana and the Itivuttaka - Two Classics from the Pali Cannon. Translated by John D. Ireland.BPS 1997;2007.

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Re: The Buddha's instruction for Bahiya

Postby kirk5a » Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:34 am

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: The Buddha's instruction for Bahiya

Postby pulga » Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:58 am

From the Ven. Ñanavira's Notes on Dhamma under "Mano":

"Note that just as the eye, as cakkháyatana or cakkhudhátu, is that
yena lokasmim lokasaññí hoti lokamání [that] by which, in the world, one is a perceiver and conceiver of the world
(Saláyatana Samy. xii,3 <S.iv,95>), i.e. that thing in the world dependent upon which there is perceiving and conceiving of the world, namely a spherical lump of flesh set in my face; so the mind, as manáyatana or manodhátu, also is that yena lokasmim lokasaññí hoti lokamání, i.e. that thing in the world dependent upon which there is perceiving and conceiving of the world, namely various ill-defined parts of my body, but principally a mass of grey matter contained in my head (physiological and neurological descriptions are strictly out of place -- see PHASSA).[c] This is in agreement with the fact that all five khandhá arise in connexion with each of the six áyatanáni -- see NÁMA & PHASSA [a]" (emphasis mine, note that there is a viññána present within the five khandhá that corresponds to each of the six áyatanáni).

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Re: The Buddha's instruction for Bahiya

Postby ground » Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:50 pm

Very interesting responses! Thank you very much!

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Re: The Buddha's instruction for Bahiya

Postby pegembara » Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:00 pm

There is thinking, no thinker
There is hearing, no hearer
There is seeing, no seer

In thinking, just thoughts
In hearing, just sounds
In seeing, just forms, shapes and colors.
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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