Why label?

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Why label?

Postby Music » Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:48 pm

Just a quick question. Must we label everything we experience?

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Re: Why label?

Postby DGA » Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:50 pm

No.

It can be useful to do so under some circumstances (drink the water, not the vinegar). But you don't need the label "water" to benefit from a cool drink on a hot day.
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Re: Why label?

Postby cesar » Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:52 pm

Jikan wrote:No.

It can be useful to do so under some circumstances (drink the water, not the vinegar). But you don't need the label "water" to benefit from a cool drink on a hot day.


well put. :)

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Re: Why label?

Postby Music » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:01 pm

I meant labeling while meditating, as in vipasana.

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Re: Why label?

Postby ClearblueSky » Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:40 pm

Certainly not, in fact a large aspect of meditation is learning not to label. When thoughts arise, learning not to label them such as "good, bad, important, distracting". Just seeing the mind and not labeling our thoughts and experiences, and the goal is to do this in meditation then bring it into all times of your life.

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Re: Why label?

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:54 pm

It's a pen, guys. Not a chew toy. Don't have any choice in the matter. Like I can snap my fingers and change the way my karma is making me perceive? Don't think so.

So what to do, whatever to do? Just chillax.
The self loathes suffering and loves the causes of suffering. It stupidly wages war in the name of peace. It wishes for enlightenment but detests the path to enlightenment. It wishes to work as a socialist but live as a capitalist. When the self feels lonely, it desires friendship. Its possessiveness of those it loves manifests in passion that can lead to aggression. Its supposed enemies—such as spiritual paths designed to conquer the ego — are often corrupted and recruited as the self’s ally.
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Re: Why label?

Postby muni » Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:10 am

Experiences are clouds already gone.

Labeling consciousness stream as I, labeling things as mine, my experience... In our language we do so, but nice it should be, to see the illusion of labeling, at least for me. :pig:

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Sentient beings, self and others, enemies and dear ones-all are made by thoughts. It is like seeing a rope and mistaking it for a snake. We have been deluded by our thoughts. Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

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Re: Why label?

Postby Music » Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:39 pm

Let's say I am observing my breath but go off on a train of thought. Do I just label it 'thinking' and then return to breath? It is this kind of labeling I am talking about.

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Re: Why label?

Postby Osho » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:03 pm

Maybe just let it go.
Labelling it is just another thing to think about.
No impertinence intended.
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Re: Why label?

Postby muni » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:35 am

Music wrote:Let's say I am observing my breath but go off on a train of thought. Do I just label it 'thinking' and then return to breath? It is this kind of labeling I am talking about.



When mind is going to wander (in thoughts), don't worry, simple come back. Yongye Mingyur Rinpoche.
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Spending your time with true spiritual friends will fill you with love for all beings.

Sentient beings, self and others, enemies and dear ones-all are made by thoughts. It is like seeing a rope and mistaking it for a snake. We have been deluded by our thoughts. Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.


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