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A Critique of Brahmavamso’s “The Jhanas”

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Re: A Critique of Brahmavamso’s “The Jhanas”

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Re: A Critique of Brahmavamso’s “The Jhanas”

Postby Sylvester » Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:29 am

And so the cat's finally out of the bag.

The only "jhanas" where vipassana occurs contemporaneously with the "jhana" are the lokuttara jhanas of the Abhidhamma, not the suttas' Jhanas.

Glad we've got that cleared up.

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Re: A Critique of Brahmavamso’s “The Jhanas”

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Re: A Critique of Brahmavamso’s “The Jhanas”

Postby Sylvester » Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:36 am

Ah, yes, the good old ex cathedra again. I was wondering when it'd turn up.

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Re: A Critique of Brahmavamso’s “The Jhanas”

Postby Nyana » Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:38 am

It's been demonstrated to you time and again that there is nothing Buddhist about jhāna devoid of vipassanā, but you're very determined to not acknowledge it.

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Re: A Critique of Brahmavamso’s “The Jhanas”

Postby Sylvester » Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:50 am

On the contrary, I accept that jhanas are so full of the potential for vipassana, that repeated and persistent practice of jhana (within the N8P) leads inexorably to Enlightenment. I can't imagine any other reason for the SN's Ganges repetition series being applied to the Jhanas, or any reading other than the plain reading of the Pasadika Sutta.

You've not demonstrated the contemporaneity of vipassana with the Sutta Jhanas, and declaring otherwise is not going to change the fact. I'm glad you've acknowledged your mistake in reading the Dhammasangani's "nanasampayutta" as meaning "concomittance" - at least we're rid of that possibility for vipassana in Sutta jhanas on the Dhammasangani approach.

If you're happy using the Abhidhamma with your practice, well and good. But I would suggest that your preference hardly qualifies as a yardstick by which how "Theravada" or a "Theravadin" should be defined.

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Re: A Critique of Brahmavamso’s “The Jhanas”

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How is it even possible to acquire Right Samadhi without having some basis of Right View? Any samadhi gained can hardly be called right.

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