Karma Dondrup Tashi wrote:[re: tantra]
There are ways to change karma.
Well, that's what I was thinking.
It is often said that "karma
is infallible", meaning that once the cause exists the effect must come. The two are linked together. But, then I thought that there must be practical means for a Buddha or proto-Buddha to mitigate the effects, so that when he dies he will escape birth and death.
Of course, that does lead me also to wonder if the problem of forgetting one's past lives, and thus not being able to remember the dharma
, could be lessened for those almost at Enlightenment, which would then make having to do it in one lifetime not so much of a problem.
deepbluehum wrote:The Buddha described [the process of birth and death] as paticca-samuppada, the 12-links of dependent origination. Seeing that process in action actually caused the process to stop. It is by this method that he leaves samsara. The body is just a residue at that point. When the body no longer functions, the round of samsara will not restart with a new birth.
Not that I doubt you, but could you explain more: how does seeing it occurring cause paticca-samuppada
to stop? Konchog1
: I would apply the same question to what you said. What both go you have said implies to me that our knowledge of the process has an input into its function, which would make me wonder: can one choose not to be reborn? We know that Buddhas and Bodhisattvas have chosen to be reborn a certain way, so is the flipside true?
What you and Karma Dondrup Tashi
have said, have made me wonder if breaking out of samsara
is not really an issue, provided one had some kind of influence over one's rebirth. After all, the mahayana
viewpoint is that one must achieve one's own liberation for and in the context of other beings, so it can be seen to be of more utility to not break out of samsara
- whether enlightened or not - because it might be more useful to be born as someone or something in order to lead someone else to their own liberation.