OK, I'll be frank here.
The more I read threads like these, the more I'm inclined to think that we should not lightly talk about such core, all-important 'things' as rigpa, integration etc. in public - and that perhaps we'd better not talk about these things at all unless
1. our interlocutor is someone we implicitly trust (i.e., our teacher os someone she of he considers qualified to talk about these things), or
2. we know, and not just think we know, what we're doing.
Of course, some of us posting here may be right, while most will probably be wrong. Some advice we give and some of our personal understanding we write about may indeed prove helpful to others. But those who read or post here not because they want to share their views or experiences but because they feel confused and need some advice, do they benefit from our discussions at all?
So, Andrew108 implies that the natural state isn't something one can know.
Heart retorts, implying that the opposite is the case because there is a crucial difference between mind and rigpa that must be discerned.
Andrew108 responds by saying that in the state of integration there's no such difference.
(And so it goes, pages and pages of it, thread after thread. Personas change but the direction remains.)
Now of course all of those statements may be correct and all of them may be wrong. But what a confused or uncertain person could gain from reading such exchanges? Nothing but further confusion, I'm afraid.
Over the years, I've been given bucketfuls of conflicting advice from (supposedly) advanced and experienced DC practitioners, who had the best intentions possible. Believe me, it takes so much more than an SMS instructor and a few retreats to even start clearing up that total mess.
I'm not saying we all of us simply shut up for good, but maybe we really shouldn't elaborate on the crucial issues unless we really and truly are confident in what we've discovered AND our discoveries have been somehow verified by those who know better? Obviously, if someone needs help and all she or he can get is (often condescending) silence from those who secretly think they know, nothing good will come out of it either. But words, even on a silly internet forum, are a surprisingly powerful means of changing the world. I may be utterly in the wrong, but it appears to me that generally speaking we need much more caution - and perhaps a tad more humility.
A potentially unpleasant but, I believe, quite true afterthought that comes to mind here is that with respect not only to our actual, experiential knowledge but also to our understanding of that knowledge and to our familiarity with its traditional interpretations, we aren't equal. Some of us are more capable of answering crucial questions than others.
EDIT: Andrew108 and Heart, please don't take it personally. My intention is not to criticise anybody but bring what I consider to be a problem into focus.
. . . there they saw a rock! But it wasn't a rock . . .