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Rebirth: Where are all of the people coming from?

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Rebirth: Where are all of the people coming from?

Postby Jhana4 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:20 pm

The population of the world was in 1900. By the end of this year, 2011, it will reach 7 billion.

How do those facts square with the concept of rebirth?

Where are those 5 + billion new people coming from?


In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Rebirth: Where are all of the people coming from?

Postby plwk » Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:27 pm

China? :lol:

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Re: Rebirth: Where are all of the people coming from?

Postby Phra Chuntawongso » Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:30 pm

Possibly other realms.
With metta
And crawling on the planets face,some insects called the human race.
Lost in time
Lost in space
And meaning

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Re: Rebirth: Where are all of the people coming from?

Postby Wizard in the Forest » Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:38 pm

Hell, preta, deva, animals. No one necessarily said they had to come only from tiny planet earth either. Also there is no atman that transmigrates, so conditions have to be met for rebirth to happen.
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Re: Rebirth: Where are all of the people coming from?

Postby Wizard in the Forest » Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:44 pm

:goodpost:

Actually that is a brilliant simile.
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Postby David N. Snyder » Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:44 pm

That is a common mistake some make who are new to the idea of rebirth; that they must come from other humans. In fact the Buddha said that human birth is very rare. There are gazillions of other realms, there are the 31 planes of existence and within them there are other realms. Even the hell realms have beings that get reborn.
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Re: Rebirth: Where are all of the people coming from?

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In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Postby Annapurna » Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:02 pm

http://www.schmuckzauberei.blogspot.com/

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http://www.schmuckzauberei.blogspot.com/

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Re: Rebirth: Where are all of the people coming from?

Postby Jhana4 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:17 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Rebirth: Where are all of the people coming from?

Postby David N. Snyder » Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:27 pm

Actually I am skeptical of Ian Stevenson's accounts, not just on their own basis but also that the Canon shows that human birth is rare and this makes complete sense in terms of the number of other animals in the world, not proof, but just that the statistics confirm that if there is rebirth then human birth must be rare.
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Postby Annapurna » Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:32 pm

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Re: Rebirth: Where are all of the people coming from?

Postby Jhana4 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:39 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Rebirth: Where are all of the people coming from?

Postby Jhana4 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:42 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Rebirth: Where are all of the people coming from?

Postby Jhana4 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:45 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Rebirth: Where are all of the people coming from?

Postby Alex123 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:55 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Rebirth: Where are all of the people coming from?

Postby Jhana4 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:11 pm

I'm not saying I believe it, but I think that is a clever supposition.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Rebirth: Where are all of the people coming from?

Postby Kenshou » Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:41 pm

I don't think we need to read too much into the word "realms" etc.

There's a huge universe out there, probably with life in many other forms. I think that, for all practical purposes, life as a blue slug on Europa and as a Klingon (or what have you) are effectively different "realms". No need to puff up the concept to "alternate universes" or anything like that.


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