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A Heretical Thought. - Dhamma Wheel

A Heretical Thought.

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PeterB
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A Heretical Thought.

Postby PeterB » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:18 pm

Could anyone demonstrate anywhere in the Pali Canon where the Buddha taught anything that is properly translated as " letting go " ? :popcorn:

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Re: A Heretical Thought.

Postby Jhana4 » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:33 pm

I don't have sutta numbers, but I don't think you would have any trouble finding quotations advocating against clinging.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: A Heretical Thought.

Postby kirk5a » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:38 pm

Na Tumhaka Sutta: Not Yours

"Whatever is not yours: let go of it. Your letting go of it will be for your long-term happiness & benefit. And what is not yours?

"The eye is not yours: let go of it. Your letting go of it will be for your long-term happiness & benefit. Forms are not yours... Eye-consciousness is not yours... Eye-contact is not yours... Whatever arises in dependence on eye-contact, experienced either as pleasure, as pain, or as neither-pleasure-nor-pain, that too is not yours: let go of it. Your letting go of it will be for your long-term happiness & benefit.

"The ear is not yours: let go of it...

"The nose is not yours: let go of it...

"The tongue is not yours: let go of it...

"The body is not yours: let go of it...

"The intellect is not yours: let go of it. Your letting go of it will be for your long-term happiness & benefit. Ideas are not yours... Intellect-consciousness is not yours... Intellect-contact is not yours... Whatever arises in dependence on intellect-contact, experienced either as pleasure, as pain, or as neither-pleasure-nor-pain, that too is not yours: let go of it. Your letting go of it will be for your long-term happiness & benefit.

"Suppose a person were to gather or burn or do as he likes with the grass, twigs, branches, & leaves here in Jeta's Grove. Would the thought occur to you, 'It's us that this person is gathering, burning, or doing with as he likes'?"

"No, lord. Why is that? Because those things are not our self nor do they pertain to our self."

"In the same way, monks, the eye is not yours: let go of it. Your letting go of it will be for your long-term happiness & benefit... The ear... The nose... The tongue... The body... The intellect is not yours: let go of it. Your letting go of it will be for your long-term happiness & benefit... Whatever arises in dependence on intellect-contact, experienced either as pleasure, as pain, or as neither-pleasure-nor-pain, that too is not yours: let go of it. Your letting go of it will be for your long-term happiness & benefit."

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: A Heretical Thought.

Postby PeterB » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:41 pm

And the term translated as " let go " is ?

How do we let go of what is not ours and never was ?

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Re: A Heretical Thought.

Postby Jhana4 » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:46 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: A Heretical Thought.

Postby christopher::: » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:52 pm

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: A Heretical Thought.

Postby kirk5a » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:53 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: A Heretical Thought.

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Re: A Heretical Thought.

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Re: A Heretical Thought.

Postby PeterB » Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:06 pm

So is the semantic sense one of actively rejecting or of not picking up Geoff....If that makes sense ?

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Re: A Heretical Thought.

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Re: A Heretical Thought.

Postby PeterB » Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:57 pm

I certainly find it so...
You de man Geoff.
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Re: A Heretical Thought.

Postby Nyana » Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:12 pm

I would add that just suppressing unwanted urges or conflicting emotions (kilesa-s) is not a very effective tool in the long term (I think this may be what you are implying in this thread?). Whatever is being suppressed has a tendency to leak out in other ways -- sometimes quite unexpected ways. Therefore, at some point we have to acknowledge and begin working directly with those undesirable aspects of ourselves. Working directly with the underlying factors which fuel our habitual thoughts and actions. This takes a lot of commitment and dedication to the process of actually walking the path in a realistic way. In short, we have to be very honest with ourselves if we want to be authentic. This is where a teacher can be an invaluable aid. The simple fact of the matter is that we are not always in the best position to be able to recognize and acknowledge the sources of our own difficulties. We're often too close and too involved in the habitual patterns to be able to see our own biases operating. But with the help of a skillful teacher, and plenty of time on the cushion, we can learn to see how our mind works with a more panoramic perspective.

All the best,

Geoff

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Re: A Heretical Thought.

Postby PeterB » Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:19 pm

You have both accurately divined my intention and done the heavy lifting....I am in your debt sir. :smile:
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Re: A Heretical Thought.

Postby christopher::: » Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:33 am

Really wise observations, Geoff. Thank you.

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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: A Heretical Thought.

Postby Sylvester » Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:28 am

Sadhu! to Peter and Geoff.


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