Mdzog Phug and the Kosha

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Mdzog Phug and the Kosha

Postby Malcolm » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:09 pm





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Re: Mdzog Phug and the Kosha

Postby DGA » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:52 pm

Great stuff Malcolm, thanks!

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Re: Mdzog Phug and the Kosha

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Re: Mdzog Phug and the Kosha

Postby Malcolm » Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:49 pm





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Re: Mdzog Phug and the Kosha

Postby Virgo » Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:02 pm

Hey Malcolm, is this text available in English? I would love to read it.

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Re: Mdzog Phug and the Kosha

Postby catmoon » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:56 am

:offtopic:

We're getting complaints about off topic posts in this thread.

If you would like to discuss other things, kindly start another thread for it.
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Re: Mdzog Phug and the Kosha

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Re: Mdzog Phug and the Kosha

Postby Indrajala » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:30 pm

I removed the bulk of this thread because it derailed.

Please keep to discussing Srid pa'i Mdzod Phug and the Kosha in a polite and reasonable manner. There is no need to refer to it using a "laugh test".

Criticism is fine, but make sure it is backed up with facts and please stay on topic.

Most importantly please remain polite. No need for sarcasm.
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Re: Mdzog Phug and the Kosha

Postby deepbluehum » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:34 pm

My apologies:

So Malcolm, what's so special about this text that makes it useful vis a vis the Kosha? I get that it has interesting anthropological interest. The OP was about whether the Kosha was influenced by the Mdzog phug. I think that notion can be very easily laid to waste considering the Kosha predates the Mdzog phug by 600 years. This is what prompted me to opine that LTN's assertion that Vasubandhu was influenced by Bon is unfounded, and also calls into question most of Bon's account of how it got Buddhism. His mastery of the methods notwithstanding.

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Re: Mdzog Phug and the Kosha

Postby Malcolm » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:48 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
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Re: Mdzog Phug and the Kosha

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
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Re: Mdzog Phug and the Kosha

Postby ratna » Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:09 pm

Thanks!

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Re: Mdzog Phug and the Kosha

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Re: Mdzog Phug and the Kosha

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Re: Mdzog Phug and the Kosha

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Free of hope and fear, relax.
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Re: Mdzog Phug and the Kosha

Postby deepbluehum » Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:23 pm

Okie. I accept that. What generated Jikan's interest was LTN's statement in "Heartdrops" that Vasubandhu got his cosmology from Bon. What's that about?

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Re: Mdzog Phug and the Kosha

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Re: Mdzog Phug and the Kosha

Postby DGA » Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:37 am

I was interested in the cosmology as a historical & cultural artifact. That's why I asked about it, and to that extent I hope it's relevant to the discussion.

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Re: Mdzog Phug and the Kosha

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Re: Mdzog Phug and the Kosha

Postby DGA » Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:40 am

Oh, I see. Looks like I misread your earlier post, Kevin.


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