Question about rainbow bodies
Question about rainbow bodies
Do rainbow bodies such as Padmasambhava and others ever achieve parinirvana in which they permanently put an end to helping sentient beings in this universe and the next and so on?
Re: Question about rainbow bodies
no
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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Just found this quote by Malcolm.Josef wrote:no
Seems to be contradicting what you're saying.Malcolm wrote:Parinirvana without any remainder.gad rgyangs wrote:
im confused about where the samyak sambuddhas(rainbow bodies) are during the basis-bardo.
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This guy is referring to the time between universes when he says "basis-bardo." So, there is no contradiction.Nighthawk wrote:Just found this quote by Malcolm.Josef wrote:noSeems to be contradicting what you're saying.Malcolm wrote:Parinirvana without any remainder.gad rgyangs wrote:
im confused about where the samyak sambuddhas(rainbow bodies) are during the basis-bardo.
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Rainbow body is a form of Buddhahood and Buddhas never end helping sentient beings.Nighthawk wrote:Do rainbow bodies such as Padmasambhava and others ever achieve parinirvana in which they permanently put an end to helping sentient beings in this universe and the next and so on?
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Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
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So what he's saying is they enter parinirvana during that period and pop back up with the arising of the new universe to help those newly formed sentient beings?tomamundsen wrote: This guy is referring to the time between universes when he says "basis-bardo." So, there is no contradiction.
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I think it's more like: there is no universe for buddhas to arise in, so they don't appear during that time period.Nighthawk wrote:So what he's saying is they enter parinirvana during that period and pop back up with the arising of the new universe to help those newly formed sentient beings?tomamundsen wrote: This guy is referring to the time between universes when he says "basis-bardo." So, there is no contradiction.
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So I'm assuming they chill out in buddhafields since buddhafields are outside all samsaric realms?tomamundsen wrote:I think it's more like: there is no universe for buddhas to arise in, so they don't appear during that time period.Nighthawk wrote:So what he's saying is they enter parinirvana during that period and pop back up with the arising of the new universe to help those newly formed sentient beings?tomamundsen wrote: This guy is referring to the time between universes when he says "basis-bardo." So, there is no contradiction.
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noNighthawk wrote: So I'm assuming they chill out in buddhafields since buddhafields are outside all samsaric realms?
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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My take is that the real Buddha is the dharmakaya... it is uncompounded and beyond existing, not existing, both, or neither, so there can be no talk of it dwelling here or there or at this or that time... When there are beings to be tamed, the rupakaya appears accordingly. When there are no beings to be tamed, the rupakaya emanations dissolve back into the nature within which they arose.Nighthawk wrote: So I'm assuming they chill out in buddhafields since buddhafields are outside all samsaric realms?
Also, "samsaric realms" vs "non-samsaric realms" is a distinction that occurs in the minds of ordinary beings like you and I, not a Buddha's wisdom mind. We have not yet transcended ideas of pure and impure, so we imagine that there could be some portions of reality that are "samsara" and others that are "Buddhafields". But in reality it's not like that.
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Now this makes sense. Thank you.Pema Rigdzin wrote:My take is that the real Buddha is the dharmakaya... it is uncompounded and beyond existing, not existing, both, or neither, so there can be no talk of it dwelling here or there or at this or that time... When there are beings to be tamed, the rupakaya appears accordingly. When there are no beings to be tamed, the rupakaya emanations dissolve back into the nature within which they arose.Nighthawk wrote: So I'm assuming they chill out in buddhafields since buddhafields are outside all samsaric realms?
Also, "samsaric realms" vs "non-samsaric realms" is a distinction that occurs in the minds of ordinary beings like you and I, not a Buddha's wisdom mind. We have not yet transcended ideas of pure and impure, so we imagine that there could be some portions of reality that are "samsara" and others that are "Buddhafields". But in reality it's not like that.
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heres a thought...
after a person has achieved rainbow body is it possible for them to physically incarnate again? or do they stay that way indefinitely?
after a person has achieved rainbow body is it possible for them to physically incarnate again? or do they stay that way indefinitely?
"But if you know how to observe yourself, you will discover your real nature, the primordial state, the state of Guruyoga, and then all will become clear because you will have discovered everything"-Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche
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Chetsun Senghe Wangchuk attained rainbow body and was later born as Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo, who then reveled the Chetsun Nyingthig.Fa Dao wrote:heres a thought...
after a person has achieved rainbow body is it possible for them to physically incarnate again? or do they stay that way indefinitely?
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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)
~Kurt Vonnegut
"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)
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heart wrote:Chetsun Senghe Wangchuk attained rainbow body and was later born as Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo, who then reveled the Chetsun Nyingthig.Fa Dao wrote:heres a thought...
after a person has achieved rainbow body is it possible for them to physically incarnate again? or do they stay that way indefinitely?
/magnus
JKW was an emanation, not a reincarnation, technically speaking.
Likewise, Vimalamitra is supposed to manifest an emanation every one hundred years or so. My teacher, Kunzang Dechen Lingpa was an emantion of Vimalamitra, etc.
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Is Chogyal Namkhai Norbu an emanation or reincarnation?Malcolm wrote:heart wrote:Chetsun Senghe Wangchuk attained rainbow body and was later born as Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo, who then reveled the Chetsun Nyingthig.Fa Dao wrote:heres a thought...
after a person has achieved rainbow body is it possible for them to physically incarnate again? or do they stay that way indefinitely?
/magnus
JKW was an emanation, not a reincarnation, technically speaking.