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Bangkok Post Writer's endless acidity

Postby Abandon » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:28 am

Regarding Thailand:
Have you seen that Sanitsuda - an aging writer at the Bangkok Post - has been launching more acidic articles aimed at Buddhism in Thailand. Writing about a particular story is one thing, but she springboards every story into a generalised and bitter attack on Thai Buddhism.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/blogs/index. ... ry?blog=64

Sure Buddhism in Thialand has its share of problems, but on the whole it is pretty sound, and at the end of the day Thailand is a mainstay of Theravada Buddhism. It is sad that even here such gutter press stories abound and paint wholly derogatory picutres of a whole society. In fact this particular writer's bitterness seems not to be mere coarse gutter press instincts, but simply spiteful. If there is anything good about Buddhism in Thailand (and there is) then it such peurile articles only poison it.

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Re: Bangkok Post Writer's endless acidity

Postby cooran » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:37 am

Hello abandon, all,

There are always bad monks, and those who publicise it. Don't join the latter yourself.

BTW, Thailand isn't the mainstay of Theravada Buddhism.

Sri Lanka, Burma (Myanmar), and Thailand all do there part - as does Buddhism in many other countries.

Indeed, with regard to the promotion and protection of the divisions of the Tipitaka ~
there is a saying in the Sangha that ~

Thailand = Vinaya;
Burma = Abhidhamma;
and Sri Lanka = Suttanta.

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Re: Bangkok Post Writer's endless acidity

Postby nathan » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:46 am

I'd appreciate hearing more about what is good about Theravada in Thailand these days. I realize that these kinds of attitudes have become more and more mainstream in the media in recent years. It is hard to imagine, however, that journalism is in a total and permanent state of decline. I plan to go to Thailand very soon and find somewhere to 'join up' with the Sangha there, so anything, anyone or anywhere that you think would be good to check out, please let me know either in this thread, the ordaining in thailand thread in the general forum or by pm. Glad to know that one more person sees much good still in Thai Theravada. Now that we have western teachers, westerners tend to rely on them, surely there are still great Asian saints to be found in Theravada as well who have something more to offer us who are from elsewhere, we just don't see the trees for the forest that has come up in the foreground, thanks of course, to the benevolence of the Asian peoples in the first place.

:anjali:

Thailand = Vinaya? Perfect. Exactly what I am most keen to develop and improve on in my body, speech and mind. :bow: :bow: :bow:
But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Bangkok Post Writer's endless acidity

Postby Abandon » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:37 am

Well, I did say Thailand is a mainstay of Theravada, not the mainstay.

It is odd how polite Thai people can be, but give them a newspaper column (in this case) or a car and politelness is replaced with something less endearing.

Nathan - good luck for when you are in Thailand. Around Bangkok if there is anything going on in English then it is usually at littlebang. You will always have to let a certain amount wash over you, but I have found great monks in practically every temple, and I focus on the good. The monks university in Ayutthaya is not a bad place, especially if you are looking to study anything other than Pali or Abhidhamma. But generally you are best finding somewhere stable and self contained to hack out early years in the ordained life.

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Re: Bangkok Post Writer's endless acidity

Postby gavesako » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:44 am

I heard it different: Laos = Vinaya ;)

Sanitsuda's articles are often a bit provocative, especially when discussing the issue of women and their status in Thai society (not just the Sangha), but it surely reflects the opinion of at least a section of educated Thai society influenced by Western democratic ideals. It is not just her, to be sure, there are many similar voices pointing out the urgent need for reform of the monastic education system and the Sangha hierarchy in Thailand (both remnants of nationalistic policies adopted at the beginning of 20th century).

Here is a good article for you:

Buddhism for the Next Century
Toward Renewing a Moral Thai Society
by Phra Phaisan Visalo
http://www.bpf.org/tsangha/phaisan.htm
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Re: Bangkok Post Writer's endless acidity

Postby nathan » Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:29 pm

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Bangkok Post Writer's endless acidity

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Re: Bangkok Post Writer's endless acidity

Postby Abandon » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:27 am

Well put Seery.

Sanitsuda likes to take a current (and real) incidnet and make sweeping generalisations under the cover of journalism, deliberately trying to poison the public opinion. She paints pictures of rife homosexuality, drugs, corruption, greed etc.. and endlessly calls for change, without any positive suggestion of how it might come about. Basically likes to tear down the Sangha without purpose - I can only call it spiteful.


Regarding the effeminite monks, what she says is in fact true, and it is widely tolerated. The robe style, of the kind with the sash tied about the waist, is varied to go across the breast and under the shoulder rather than over. Also colouring is applied to lips, which although failry subtle, when added to the overall effect, is very clear. This seems to be tolerated for the most part, albeit with some gentle ridiculing.

I should add that most such monks are ordained muchly against their wishes. There is often pressure on youths to ordain in hope of sorting out their problems - sexuality, drugs, gang mentality etc.. So they do their term and disrobe accordingly, usually after finishing the monastic education levels. They introduce the, ahem.. style changes .. bit by bit so it is difficult for the Sangha to really draw the line as it starts to occur.


Still, people are only people, and as groups go, Thai Buddhism is in a very healthy state. Reading the Vinaya, much worse things used to happen in the Buddha's time. The fact that so called 'scandals' are so tame is indicative of a good Sangha IMO

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Re: Bangkok Post Writer's endless acidity

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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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Re: Bangkok Post Writer's endless acidity

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