Nemo wrote:As an experiment read the Koran and judge Mohammed by today's standards. That was the mistake I made.
He recommended beating your wife in at least three places that I remember. The best was where he recommends beating your wife for no reason. If you only beat your wife when she does something wrong she'll get uppity. Random beatings keep your wife humble. He had 16 wives. The youngest he married when she was 6. I know that's creepy, don't worry he did not consumate the marriage till she was 9. Also recorded are two sex slaves/concubines and at least 4 other female followers who gave themselves to him.
He had strange visions and heard voices. Salman Rushdie looked into that in the Satanic Verses.
After being thrown out of Mecca he became a murdering bandit. He attacked wealthy merchant caravans on the days of the moon even bandits were sworn not to attack. He told his band of murderous thieves that God said it was virtuous to be so sneaky.
With the proceeds from murdering and pillaging he expanded his bandits into an army. He molded himself into a very effective military commander over eight years of bloody brutal war. He murdered entire tribes and sold the woman and children into slavery for profit. As his power grew so did his atrocities. By the end he declared the "war of the knife" instructing his followers to murder any idolater they encountered on the spot. He fought strategically and ruthlessly. He was an impresive general by anyones standards. But is that what a religious leader should be?
Reading the Koran I encountered a very evil and selfish man. Once read it could not be unread.
Ask yourself If he were alive today what would the world think of him?
Nothing good, I should think - if I read Koran without any commentaries and without all the subtle but so very, very thick sauce it's been covered in and dissolved into over the years. And exactly the same applies to the Old Testament - it's authors turning out to be simply creepy, sadistic psychos - and even, surprise, surprise, the New one; you really read it attentively, all of it, and you'll find horrors piled upon horrors there too. Provided, that is, you're trying hard to do what's next to impossible (all in all, almost perfectly impossible, I'd say) for any ethnic Muslim or Christian and separating the 'original' from its endless rewritings and reinterpretations.
There's the rub.
Being Muslim doesn't require reading Koran at all. It doesn't require reading Koran with any actual understanding - and indeed, in the case of the majority of Muslims, it doesn't involve such sort of reading, very few people being capable of it in the end. It certainly never entails and cannot entail reading Koran-as-it-is-written, and, for the 90% of the population, generally involves no reading of the Book at all, or hair-risingly selective reading at best. And that reading, goes without saying, is never unfiltered; it is shaped through the ever-varying influence of commentaries high and low, general culture, uprbringing, personal situation, as well as million other factors. They never read the Koran. What they read, if they read it (or anything else) at all, tiny portions of a
broken-up Koran, its fragmentated, elusive and endlessly distorted echo.
It's more or less exactly the same situation as it is with the Bible and Christians, even Protestant ones: every Christian knows that the Bible is oh-so-wise, but almost no-one really reads it; the few that do just re-read their perennial faves - and, with the exception of a tiny minority, construe them at the same time the way they've been conditioned to do it and the way it pleases them, not the way the churches teach. And, the shocking truth is, it's always been like that
. . . there they saw a rock! But it wasn't a rock . . .