Huseng wrote:Most of us are not suggesting a "Islam-is-the-ultimate-horror-as-the-history-so-clearly-evinces" argument.
Either many of 'you' are doing a very bad job expressing their views, or some of 'you' at least are suggesting precisely what I wrote they are.
Huseng wrote:The utopian fantasy of everyone regardless of religion or ethnicity living together harmoniously only works if everyone adopts monoculturalism and secular models of government. That won't happen
Well I surely prefer my utopian dream to your misanthropic nightmare. But my dream need not be fantasy, no matter how much you assert otherwise. There's no proof it's mere fantasy, in any case - only time can tell.
Also, you're overstating my perspective here. I never said 'everyone regardless of religion or ethnicity' can or will 'liv[e] together harmoniously'. No fundamentalists will.
Huseng wrote:My point above was that Islam and many other cultures are incompatible. There is nothing brainwashed or unreasonable about such an assertion if you look at history.
Frankly, I find that assertion pretty much meaningless if I look at history. Cultures change; they are
change. And, as they change, transcultural relations evolve. At some point there will be wars, small-scale conflicts, and some tensions always remain - but so does some co-shaping - and, at other times, there'll be harmony and peace.
Huseng wrote:Curious how interest in Sharia law has been spreading the last number of decades, no?
Not really. There's an obvious and mounting tension between undeveloped third-world countries (where fundamentalist Islam - and fundamentalist Christianities - are on the rise) and the West, whose Powers that Be have been tmassively responsible for the worsening predicament of the rest of the world; the increasing conflict parallels the internal one in the western world. When people feel threatened and bleak about their future, nasty things wake up in the dark. When someone points to them their oppressors, hell usually breaks loose. Things will probably be getting worse - if Western, which is also to say, our, policies don't change.
No surprise here.
. . . there they saw a rock! But it wasn't a rock . . .