Re-engaging the mind...

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Re-engaging the mind...

Postby viniketa » Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:29 pm

If one has attained a relatively high-level of mindfulness, meditative vision, and action -- if one looses that attainment --is it more difficult to begin again? How can one re-engage to discipline the mind? There are, in some ways, more obstacles to overcome. Perhaps there are thoughts that one's efforts are not 'enough' (in comparison with previous attainment) or that one's efforts are for naught if one cannot maintain a certain level.

Please, those who have had such experiences, your thoughts would be appreciated.

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Re: Re-engaging the mind...

Postby Jesse » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:24 pm

If one has attained a relatively high-level of mindfulness, meditative vision, and action -- if one looses that attainment --is it more difficult to begin again? How can one re-engage to discipline the mind? There are, in some ways, more obstacles to overcome. Perhaps there are thoughts that one's efforts are not 'enough' (in comparison with previous attainment) or that one's efforts are for naught if one cannot maintain a certain level.


I've slacked on practicing quite a bit over the past few months, and although I can't sit with the same degree of mindfulness sometimes, I have found in some ways it makes no difference at all. Did you really ever attain anything? When did you lose it? :P

There are, in some ways, more obstacles to overcome.


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Re: Re-engaging the mind...

Postby dharmagoat » Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:00 pm

viniketa wrote:If one has attained a relatively high-level of mindfulness, meditative vision, and action -- if one looses that attainment --is it more difficult to begin again? How can one re-engage to discipline the mind? There are, in some ways, more obstacles to overcome. Perhaps there are thoughts that one's efforts are not 'enough' (in comparison with previous attainment) or that one's efforts are for naught if one cannot maintain a certain level.

That mindfulness is never lost, it only appears to be. The attainment is knowing how to find it. Now that you know, you will return in time.
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Re: Re-engaging the mind...

Postby seeker242 » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:35 am

Someone once asked a Olympic marathon runner where he got the motivation to practice running. He said "I get the motivation to practice running by going out and practicing running". Always loved that, ha!
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Re: Re-engaging the mind...

Postby viniketa » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:20 am

ghost01 wrote: Did you really ever attain anything?

Perhaps not.

ghost01 wrote:When did you lose it?

Slowly, over the last several years.

ghost01 wrote: What's the difference what is it?

The desire to cultivate bodhicitta is waning.

dharmagoat wrote: you will return in time.

Thank you for the positive encouragement! You are right, the mindfulness is there; the ability or willingness to utilize it is sometimes missing.

seeker242 wrote:"I get the motivation to practice running by going out and practicing running".

Good quote. That's it in a nutshell, isn't it?

Now, just need to overcome the fatigue, recover motivation, and get to practicing... yet it seems insurmountable, sometimes.

P.S.: Many thanks for the replies!
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Re: Re-engaging the mind...

Postby seeker242 » Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:06 pm

viniketa wrote:Good quote. That's it in a nutshell, isn't it?

Now, just need to overcome the fatigue, recover motivation, and get to practicing... yet it seems insurmountable, sometimes.

P.S.: Many thanks for the replies!



Connecting with a real life Sangha or good teacher is very good motivation source, as well as doing a meditation retreat. A retreat is like an instant energy boost. :) If those things are available. :)
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Re: Re-engaging the mind...

Postby Andrew108 » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:38 am

Thinking that you will gain something is the reason why you now feel you have lost something. If you want to develop your understanding then it is really important to be inspired by the teachings. The buddhist view of non-self is really important to realize. So this is something that is fundamental. If you have doubts about this then ask questions here. This forum is a great place for working through ones doubts.
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"What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range." Sabba Sutta.
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Re: Re-engaging the mind...

Postby Jeff » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:10 pm

viniketa wrote:If one has attained a relatively high-level of mindfulness, meditative vision, and action -- if one looses that attainment --is it more difficult to begin again? How can one re-engage to discipline the mind? There are, in some ways, more obstacles to overcome. Perhaps there are thoughts that one's efforts are not 'enough' (in comparison with previous attainment) or that one's efforts are for naught if one cannot maintain a certain level.

Please, those who have had such experiences, your thoughts would be appreciated.

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Re: Re-engaging the mind...

Postby viniketa » Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:54 pm

Thinking more about this, about succumbing to "laziness", ran across this from Pema Chodron:

We can unite with laziness, be our laziness, know its smell and taste, feel it fully in our bodies. The spiritual path is a process of relaxing into this very moment of being. We touch in with this moment of lethargy or loss of heart, this moment of pain, of avoidance, of couldn’t care less. We touch in and then we go forward. This is the training. Whether in formal meditation or throughout our days and nights, we can train in letting go of our commentary and contacting the felt quality of our experience. We can touch our experience without getting hooked by the story line.... ... to relate with our depression and laziness in an honest and openhearted way. Instead of continuing to zone out and shut down and close off, we lean in and relax. This is how we practice." http://www.shambhalasun.com/index.php?o ... ew&id=2286


This is helpful, this is doable as a starting point...

Again, many thanks to those who replied.

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