Israeli women take Palestinian women to the beach. Respect!

[mudra]

This item in the NYT http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/27/world/middleeast/27swim.html?_r=3&src=tptw really emphasized to me the importance of personal courage and compassion in reaching out across 'enemy lines' in the face of monstrous political pressures. Even what would normally be such a small thing took tremendous bravery!

my favorite quote from one of the Israeli women:

“But it is one more activity to oppose the occupation. One day in the future, people will ask, like they did of the Germans: ‘Did you know?’ And I will be able to say, ‘I knew. And I acted.’

[ronnewmexico]

One of the grreat tragedies of our times is what is going on there.

It is simply impossible to explain to peoples that it is wrong to punish the majority for the actions of terrorism of a minority.

Certainly in this thing there is terrorism on both sides, palestinians coming out much worse for wear in this particular wash.
I finally saw a billboard on a major highway here in the US that said...spend our money at home not on the israeli military, here in the US.
Since american is the major source of military aid and weaponry used in this oppression that would be a start.

But most confuse not supporting israel in their recent actions with antisemitism. They do not realize even within Israel there is a significant part of the populace that opposed the settlements and restrictions favoring their establishment and use.

Thanks for the post. I remain thinking nonviolent overt opposition is the only answer, as this speaks of. To enable that they need a leader of note..which they seem to not have. As in INdia years ago I see here a direct parallel in how this thing has to be fought.
This circumstance calls for a Gandhi.
Till then aparthied round the corner.

[Malcolm]

This circumstance calls for a Gandhi.
Till then aparthied round the corner.

Around the corner? Apartheid is already a fact in Zionist-occupied Palestine.

N

[ronnewmexico]

Apartheid in some contexts requires a majority being oppressed by a minority, as was the situation in South Africa.
In Israel due to population increases it will soon be that. And this is why israel is ferverntly always supporting immigration to israel in the interests of increaseing the Israelite population as opposed to the palestinian population. And why some like Sharone, being a bit brighter than some....seeing the implication of a israel minority oppressing a palestinian majority was in favor of a two state solution.

The present idiots seem not to understand the distinction and thusly they are headed towards a absolute apartheid state by any definition.
Palestinians just increase by population more than israelites, they have more children for the most part.
Israelites with no seperate state for Palestinians, will soon, within several years time... be a absolute minority in their own country..throwing any pretense of democratic rule to the wind.

[Sönam]

Support the braves!

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/639318/israel_erupts_in_protest

Sönam

[ronnewmexico]

I don't know....I could easily see fighting for lower rents could easily translate to calls for more occupation and settlement in palestinian occupied territories.

The israeli politic is quite complex...I would wait on drawing any lines here.
That reporter does but reporting is quite complex as well.

In another issue any boycott mention by anyone in media or such for support.... they by israeli law are now to be considered for liability. Not liability for actual damages but any potential damages that could occur to anyone that may be hurt by anyone calling for a boycott.
So censorship it is.

I still find it unusual some nonsupporters of the israeli artists boycott which has been going on for quite some time now included, Leonard Cohan, and Bob Dylan.

Like Jack Kerouac's ardent support for the Vietnam war back in the day....I think it made a statement of somesort on thier current way of thinking/being on things. Him basically reverting to his catholicism and alcohol as means way way back then.

[Sönam]

"If the struggle succeeds against the tyranny of the apartment owners and the Finance Ministry - which was what motivated them to go out and demonstrate - perhaps they will find the way of struggling also against other more severe forms of tyranny. That is the big test before the people."

It always start on a specific demand, then it enlarges to a "More Freedom" Movement ...

This is better than not!

Sönam

[ronnewmexico]

In most places yes. Israel has a unique history and pattern of behaviors I would guess as partial result from their recent history of world war 2 variety.

The killing of the Israeli Prime minister a time back, by a right wing settler type.... was not met with a wholescale retreat from the right, but actually a solidifying and advancement of the right. So curiously things in israel may not follow typical patterns.

On a tangent....... keep in mind the depression led to franklin delanor resolvelt in the us but also hitler in germany...there are many ways these things go.

[Sönam]

It's part of the current climate (around the world) ... and it's about young peoples wanting another world! I do not think it will go fare this time, but that a start. It also shows than young Israelian are like young egyptian, tunisian, libyan, spanish and others.

THere is positive energies in that kind of movement ... nothing to do with hitler and so on!

Sönam

[Sönam]

In most places yes. Israel has a unique history and pattern of behaviors I would guess as partial result from their recent history of world war 2 variety.

The initial behavior of Israel is kibbutz and socialism, and they have been so for a long time ... then the right took the power, and the previous behavior of Palestian (when Arafat still wanted to throw jewish to the sea) participate to that new fact!
Young peoples are fade-up with military service, war and what goes with, unemployment and so on.

Sönam

[ronnewmexico]

I am no expert on the israeli politic but I see the politic changing to a part in response to where the initial israelies came from and where the newer ones are coming from. A diffrering response to socialism being found in the newer peoples.

I don't see a direct result from WW2 but a mindset response. A way of thinking, that being extreem in its nature has extreem response in its nature.
As american in response to concentration camps did establish their own concentration camps for japanese americans sans the killing but still heinouis and dispicable. REplicating a similiar response with Guantanamo in a way...a group of peoples with no rights to challenge their detention. So one precedent leads to a extension and application on another.
So I see the current Israel doing things that are not in consideration of a free way of doing things.. This latest surpression of vocal dissent is a good example. That is usually the first move in any totalitarian regime or apartheid regime, which is where it appears they are headed.

So I disagree. REnt problems..... I see as little to do with the arab revolutions. And as mentioned I fully expect this to be coopted by the extreem right, not now but shortly.
I can see more economic problems in the future..EVentually... like south africa.... these things will pose problems and the people will have to change their views to accomodate reality. They can stop a boycott in their nation, but as they get more extreem will be the response more extreem. More peoples will abscribe to it.
More stoppage of aid ships to palestinians and more nations will stop and say...what is going on here.
They are their own worst enemy and little realize it. But that is how things end with those that depend to much on force to get their way.
Gradually the politic will have to change.
As in the americas..... america will stop their heinous aggressions..because they eventually run out of money. Not because the people suddenly become enlightened or informed. So seeing the writing on the wall..they change their politic/ideology to reflect the reality.
So will Israel eventually...but I see it not with this.

You could be right...I will not state it has to be my way or to my opinion....I just in my opinion don't see that change in mindset yet.
It will come...with economic pressure will come people pressure and politic change. To early yet...the right is to strong to my opinion yet.
Boycott is the key to this thing. With efforts on UN palestinian statehood, they are finally coopting the higher ground moral ground.

Israel trying to outlaw such things as boycott, even the mention of it...plays to the contrast. They should be acting conceilatory.....they are doing the opposite. Force and right wing authority work short term very well...long term not so well.

[Lhug-Pa]

Was curious to see if this issue has even been mentioned here somewhere, and I agree with Malcolm here:

Around the corner? Apartheid is already a fact in Zionist-occupied Palestine.

Free Palestine! Free Tibet!

[Lhug-Pa]

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http://www.endisraeliwarcrimes.com/

[Lhug-Pa]

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http://www.endisraeliwarcrimes.com/

From the above link:

Barak Decision to Destroy 10 Palestinian Villages a Permission for Murder and Mass Deportation

I wonder if he is the only "Barak" involved in this:

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/1/23/n ... ce_on_gaza

And:

http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/20100726.htm

Now I don't know if I agree with Noam Chomsky on everything, however his words are often at least worth paying attention to....

[Lhug-Pa]

Occupycorporatism.com on Palestine

[Lhug-Pa]

Occupycorporatism.com on Palestine

From the above search: about Zionism and Neoconservatism/Evangelistic-Christianism:

Obama Gives Israel $70 Billion to Murder More Palestinians

Aren't Barack Obama, John McCain, Hillary Clinton, John Baird, Guido Westerwelle, and Benjamin Netanyahu a bunch of Zionist peas-in-a-pod:

http://occupycorporatism.com/the-us-and ... continues/

As more honest people like Ron Paul, for example, have often pointed out:

Iran is not even close to existing as the threat that the military-industrial-complex propaganda claims.