treehuggingoctopus wrote:The whole history argument (i.e., Islam-is-the-ultimate-horror-as-the-history-so-clearly-evinces) could be used to support a critique of any religious institution with sufficiently long history, and happens to neatly parallel the Chinese goverments' villification of Tibetan culture as a reactionary and intrinsically oppressive artefact from the past.
I've alreay said it, and will say it again: most of Westerners interested in the issue, and certainly most posters at DW, fail to understand what being a Muslim means to most Muslims. They fail to see that Islam, just like every religion, is an ethnic identity first, an ideology second - that most Muslims don't know pretty much anything about the creed, many just parrot the words their parents told them without any understanding, some construe the creed fairly personally, some don't know how or why to construe it at all and many don't really care either way, turning devout only on their deathbed. A story as old as humanity.
I find it also still quite shocking that we let ourselves so easily be manipulated. I mean, with recent developments in Egypt and Syria, the anti-Islam propaganda should be really easy to see through. The American government is busy toppling the tyrants who, incidentally, represented the liberal and secular wing of Islam (and whom the US wholeheartedly supported a few years ago) - paving thus the way for the likes of Muslim Brotherhood. The future could hardly be clearer.
Huseng wrote:Most of us are not suggesting a "Islam-is-the-ultimate-horror-as-the-history-so-clearly-evinces" argument.
Huseng wrote:The utopian fantasy of everyone regardless of religion or ethnicity living together harmoniously only works if everyone adopts monoculturalism and secular models of government. That won't happen
Huseng wrote:My point above was that Islam and many other cultures are incompatible. There is nothing brainwashed or unreasonable about such an assertion if you look at history.
Huseng wrote:Curious how interest in Sharia law has been spreading the last number of decades, no?
JKhedrup wrote:Many of the areas where Buddhism is well preserved, for example Ladakh and Thailand, are facing huge increase in the Muslim population.
This article on His Holiness the Dalai Lama's website http://www.dalailama.com/news/post/825- ... -community talks about the peaceful history between Muslims and Buddhists in Tibet.
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Suddenly you will know the different knowledge without study - Thog-'bebs
One may now accomplish the welfare and instruction of all sentient beings, spontaneously and without effort, by simply being, that is to say, by manifesting one's enlightened nature through spontaneously emanating an infinity of Nirmanakaya manifestations - Vajranatha
Lhug-Pa wrote:What the hell?^ lol
And this guy actually has a large following?
Thrasymachus wrote:2) They project Western notions of multi-culturalism, tolerance, diversity on an Islamic civilization that is not only outside of these developments, but inimical to them.
Nemo wrote:I didn't like the Muslim religion after reading the Koran. I don't have much interest in neoplatonic reinterpretations of the original text.
Nemo wrote:China invaded Tibet under the guise of liberating Tibetans from a corrupt theocracy that oppressed the peasants. Like all good propaganda it was partly true. IMO theocracy is one of the worst forms of governance.
Knotty Veneer wrote:Troubled by pesky Muslims? Worry no more!
Just pepper spray them as Lama Ole Nydahl advises in this heart-warming recent video:
Thrasymachus wrote:1) First as elsewhere throughout the forum many of the participants in this site feel Buddhist ideals are inherently real. At they same time they tend to ignore that Islam has ideals of the opposite nature that glorify slavery, subjugation, warfare, religious laws, etc.
2) They project Western notions of multi-culturalism, tolerance, diversity on an Islamic civilization that is not only outside of these developments, but inimical to them.
Now I don't agree with the Burmese military junta and their tactics, but it is pathetic to live a lavish Western style predicated on breaking the backs of the local poor, the Global South, etc. and feel good about yourself because you pretend on some level you are a good person because you have theoretical views on the conflict in Burma.
tobes wrote:If anyone is interested in a devastating refutation of this strange strawman distinction - that there are coherent and unified things called 'western' and 'Islamic' civilisations - please pm me, and I'll attach the scholarly article.
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