deepbluehum wrote:Andrew108 wrote:If the consort has no realization then it's just ordinary sexual activity. The student must be sufficiently awakened and the teacher must know that. Also the consort must have as much knowledge about the practice as the teacher has. If there is a claim of exploitation then you can be sure that it was ordinary sexual activity. If there is a command to secrecy then you can be sure that it was ordinary sexual activity.
No, the lama needs to have realization. The consort won't have that yet. The lama instructs the consort and uses the practice to ripen the consort. The consort would at most have experience with development stage, and the consort practice is part of the completion stage. The realization doesn't happen until after a long time practicing consort completion stage. If we are talking Dzogchen, then the consort would have direct introduction and some experience with guru yoga. Then, it is possible to practice with methods of pleasure. It doesn't me he or she is realized. Sometimes the experience will be dualistic and sometimes there will be stability in contemplation. Through practice one gains stability with contemplation. The methods are for transforming dualistic vision into nondual vision or in Dzogchen, stabilizing and deepening contemplation. It does not mean you are already in nondual contemplation 24/7. If that is the case, then there is no need for consort practice.
If I shout and get angry with you and then tell you that you should take anger to the path, how would you react? You would have to know how to take anger to the path and you wouldn't be passive. You would need to give as good as you get. You would have to get angry with me and we would both have to know what this display of anger is all about. It would be no good if I treated you as a slave or tried to dominate you. So with all of these practices, where we are looking at the nature of the emotion, we are trying to overcome ignorance. We are not creating more ignorance. We create more ignorance with these types of consort practice if one of the two practitioners doesn't get it equally. So the realization has to be equal otherwise we are just creating or perpetuating the causes of ignorance. If not then we are standing on our consort's shoulders to proclaim how high our view is.